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DLW
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   Posted 4/17/2003 8:31 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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The point is that setting out dichotomies like order vs. non-order is misleading, the choice is between many different forms of order, which, in the ecclesiastical sense, will determine how we try to establish the kingdom of God.
OK. I assume you would agree that some of the many different forms of order are less systemically distorted than others, and therefore we must choose orders that are more creative than destructive and resist orders that are more destructive than creative. I don’t see how this is incompatible with spiritual warfare.

Electra



Yes there are ideals from God found in Scripture that serve as guides in the choosing process, but the point is that warfare, in many respects, is not an appropriate metaphor for the process of working things out, politics, regarding how we resolve the conflicts that occur between us. This is because of the fallible nature of our own understandings of what should be done to establish the Kingdom of God.
dlw

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From the Cowardice that dare not face new truth,
From the Laziness that is contented with half-truth,
From the Arrogance that thinks it knows all truth,
Lord Deliver Me.
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DLW
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   Posted 4/21/2003 5:34 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I am unable to make a prophetic stance against any institution of governance if I do not know anything about it, its history, leadership, how disagreements get worked out, what its goals are, etc... .

Hence,a prophetic stance about the political institutions of our country or its political parties requires immersion in its details. In my view, the spiritual warfare theodicy will likely be of limited usefulness in doing this.

What is more required is a Theology that supports the direction of time and energy to such tasks as glorifying to God, as opposed to only devoting oneself to Bible Study, prayer, evangelical out-reach. While Ideally, one would allocate their time to all the above.
dlw

Prayer from Kenya

From the Cowardice that dare not face new truth,
From the Laziness that is contented with half-truth,
From the Arrogance that thinks it knows all truth,
Lord Deliver Me.


Edited by - DLW on 04/21/2003 2:55:55 PM
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DLW
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   Posted 5/10/2003 2:16 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Be sure to vote for changing this forum's title to "Let's Confront the Reality of Evil".

I think the title of this forum should emphasize the concreteness of the issues we deal with here.

dlw

Prayer from Kenya

From the Cowardice that dare not face new truth,
From the Laziness that is contented with half-truth,
From the Arrogance that thinks it knows all truth,
Lord Deliver Me.
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   Posted 5/10/2003 6:54 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
DLW: The Church, generally speaking, should be distinct from political parties, but that does not mean that bodies of believers will not have to interact with political parties in order to participate with politics.


PoW: Something I'm a fan of is the Center for Public Justice at www.cpjustice.org/.
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Matthew Timothy Short
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   Posted 5/11/2003 12:20 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

http://www.aclj.org/
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DLW
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   Posted 5/11/2003 12:45 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I also recommend Evangelicals for Social Action...

http://www.esa-online.org/

Bread for the World...

http://www.bread.org/

Sojourners

http://www.sojo.net/

World Hunger

http://www.elca.org/hunger/

and I am sure there are others...
dlw

Prayer from Kenya

From the Cowardice that dare not face new truth,
From the Laziness that is contented with half-truth,
From the Arrogance that thinks it knows all truth,
Lord Deliver Me.
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DLW
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   Posted 7/23/2003 8:49 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
This illustrates some important difference in "worldviews".
dlw

I-uh-scream-uh,
You-uh-scream-uh,
We-all-uh-sceam-uh for
Ice-uh-cream-uh!!!

Roberto Bernigni in
Down by Law.

ahehmAmericanzituhsen! This,varrrrrybaadfuryur
Cuntry! Varrrrrrrybaadfuryur
Cuntry!
Roberto Benigni in
Johnny Stecchenino.
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