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PotOnWheel
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   Posted 9/14/2003 4:38 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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Christianity Today, September 2003

The Next Sexual Revolution
By practicing what it preaches on marriage, the church could transform society.

A Christianity Today editorial | posted 08/27/2003


Same-sex marriage makes perfect sense—if you buy North American culture's take on sex and marriage. More than four decades after the introduction of the Pill, hardly anyone now getting married remembers the time when pleasure, procreation, passion, companionship, and parenthood were all intimately knotted into a bundle called marriage. Without those connections, marriage has become an arena for mere self-fulfillment and sexual expression. Even the Ontario Court, in its June 10 affirmation of same-sex marriage, could describe marriage as only an expression of love and commitment. If that is all there is to marriage, why not grant the same legal benefits to committed same-sex couples as to married heterosexuals?

There is, however, an alternative view, rooted in the Bible, in history, in tradition, and in nature. And those of us who see marriage through those lenses can only think of "same-sex marriage" as we think of "fat-free sour cream"—a triumph of the modern, technologically blunted imagination.

The modern spirit has often been devoted to overcoming nature with technology. This has been a blessing when it has nearly wiped out some life-threatening diseases. Unfortunately, it has also synthesized inferior substitutes for real things, ranging from the invention of calorie-free sweeteners to the recent creation of embryos that were genetically both male and female.

That same modernist spirit is at work in the juggernaut that seems bent on normalizing same-sex marriage in North America. May God bless the resistance: First, Matt Daniels and the Alliance for Marriage for promoting the Federal Marriage Amendment. Second, Rep. Marilyn Musgrave (R.-Colo.) and her 75 colleagues cosponsoring the Amendment in Congress. And third, commentators like Cal Thomas and Mona Charen for exposing the diabolical logic of the Supreme Court's recent Lawrence v. Texas decision. And Maggie Gallagher for elucidating the cultural consequence of legalizing same-sex marriage.

A Laboratory for Marriage
Still, the local church has a key role in recreating a biblical understanding of marriage in our society.

First, we must admit that the church's current record is dismal. Divorce statistics inside the church are indistinguishable from those outside.

Second, we need to repent for allowing the Zeitgeist of expressive individualism to permeate the way many of our churches relate to marriage, divorce, and remarriage.

Third, we need to restore the community context of marriage. A married couple is more than the sum of its parts. It is a thread in a community fabric. Societies are built out of people who are loyal to one another and who work and sacrifice for the common good. Expressive individualism is a poor foundation for a society, and marriages so conceived do not build loyalties or give us practice in sacrificial service. Marriages and families are schools for service.

Fourth, we need to recover the sense of human limitation inherent in marriage and family life. This is the beautiful biblical picture: a two-gendered, complementary couple improving on and channeling nature, but neither conquering it nor twisting it.

Modernism is about conquering nature, but marriage is about living with nature. Illness and irritating habits, economic reverses and recalcitrant children—these things give us practice in living with limits. Sing Me to Heaven is Margaret Kim Peterson's affecting memoir of building a marriage in the face of limitations. Knowing that her husband had a terminal illness from the beginning helped her to realize that marriage is not choosing a future; it is choosing a partner with whom to face the future. And to varying degrees, that always involves living with limits as "helpers suitable for each other."

Fifth, churches must help their members recover the link between marriage and procreation. In the 1970s, the evangelical subculture rightly affirmed the delights of marital sex through popular books like The Total Woman and Intended for Pleasure. ("Fundies in their undies!" joked church historian Martin Marty in response.) Unfortunately, even in the church, the procreative dimension of sex has been sidelined by economic pressures, cultural ideals, and technological fixes. Churches need to celebrate the fact that every marriage is procreative by design.

Sixth, churches must continue to help their members learn the practical skills associated with all of the challenges of married life. There is really no lack of resources: magazines like CT's sister publication Marriage Partnership, organizations like Marriage Savers and Marriage Encounter, cautionary studies like Judith Wallerstein's The Unexpected Legacy of Divorce, and inspirations like Mike Mason's classic Mystery of Marriage. While resources abound, focus is needed. The restoration of Christian marriage should be at the top of our congregational agendas.

A favorite anthem of early '70s counterculture was Joni Mitchell's "Big Yellow Taxi." In a familiar refrain, she mourned the passing of unspoiled nature: "Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

When the states passed a rash of no-fault divorce laws in the '60s and '70s, few anticipated the disastrous impact on the economic and psychological well-being of women and children. When same-sex marriage is legalized, the unanticipated cultural impact and personal costs may likewise be enormous.

The truth about marriage is embedded in nature, and nature has a way of reasserting itself. Inevitably, the Big Yellow Taxi factor will come into play: People will long for what once was. The challenge to the church is to be a countercultural outpost, modeling marriage as it should be for the world. Those with an impoverished understanding of marriage will be able to grasp it only when they see the real thing.

It's time to start the revolution.

Copyright © 2003 Christianity Today. Click for reprint information.
September 2003, Vol. 47, No. 9, Page 40


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I disagree with the part about having to have children. Just because a couple gets married, doesn't mean thay have to have children to somehow be a good witness to the lost. Not all married Christian couples make good parents and if they truly don't desire to have kids around them 24/7 they shouldn't be shamed into doing that either. Being childless is nothing to be ashamed of, especially if you've conciously chosen it.


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   Posted 9/15/2003 6:42 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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Originally posted by Tigress

I disagree with the part about having to have children. Just because a couple gets married, doesn't mean thay have to have children to somehow be a good witness to the lost. Not all married Christian couples make good parents and if they truly don't desire to have kids around them 24/7 they shouldn't be shamed into doing that either. Being childless is nothing to be ashamed of, especially if you've conciously chosen it.



No one who understands what is being said in the article (part of the Christian tradition that the article points out was fractured and not fully passed on to the current generations) would disagree with what Tigress is saying: "Being childless is nothing to be ashamed of, especially if you've conciously chosen it."

But marriage is not a an act of single-ness; it is not an act of individuality. Its not entertainment--a 'ride.' Just being married is a "potential sacrament." Becoming "one flesh" is a change in one's being. Marriage presents that potential for that kind of change -- becoming something that is closer to heaven than mot married is. (Monasticism is another route.) So marriage is not an act of individuality. And a marriage is also an act that implies and stretches beyond the borders of two-ness, towards "three-ness." The love that the married couple discovers within their union urges towards that three-ness. It is not something contrived, or done out of a notion of obligation. It is a sacramental manifestation! Miracle!!!

So, for those who can not have children, they should decide to be open to adoption. And their openness should not be a mask for guilt, or shame, or "Calvinistic" obligation. But they should remain "open" to the Spirit's leading to let their two-in-one-ness grow towards three-ness. And just see what happens.

Tigress, the world is as much against what I just wrote about the virtue of marriage as it is against the foreignness of considering having children a "calling" of God that exceeds personal choice.

The article says that even good Evangelical cultured families have "let the world squeeze us into its mold" (J.B. Philips version of Philippians)

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   Posted 9/15/2003 7:01 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
My desire to not have children has nothing to do with the culture we live in. On the contrary, I always thought that the norm for married couples is to have children because that's just what naturally comes next. My desire to not have children is driven more by the desire to still have enough time alone with my husband, in a world that does everything it can to destroy the marital relationship. Children would take away from that attention and intimacy that I know I would need from him. Not to mention the time constraints on spending time with God after marriage. Having children would greatly reduce how much time I could spend with Jesus and my husband.

Plus, I can't stand having anyone so completely dependent on me that they have to be watched by me 24/7 without a break for 18 years or more. I think that many Christian people take for granted that having children is going to be a walk in the park and that it's no big deal. But it is a huge deal, and shouldn't be taken lightly or entered into if you're not good parent material.

I don't believe a married couple must have a child or children to somehow complete their union. When God brought Adam and Eve together, He declared them complete as they were. He only told them to be fruitful and multiply as a blessing - not as a command. God wanted them to be happy in whatever decision they would make together. God doesn't command (force) people to have children.


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   Posted 9/15/2003 8:48 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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Originally posted by Tigress

My desire to not have children has nothing to do with the culture we live in. On the contrary, I always thought that the norm for married couples is to have children because that's just what naturally comes next. My desire to not have children is driven more by the desire to still have enough time alone with my husband, in a world that does everything it can to destroy the marital relationship. Children would take away from that attention and intimacy that I know I would need from him. Not to mention the time constraints on spending time with God after marriage. Having children would greatly reduce how much time I could spend with Jesus and my husband.

Plus, I can't stand having anyone so completely dependent on me that they have to be watched by me 24/7 without a break for 18 years or more. I think that many Christian people take for granted that having children is going to be a walk in the park and that it's no big deal. But it is a huge deal, and shouldn't be taken lightly or entered into if you're not good parent material.

I don't believe a married couple must have a child or children to somehow complete their union. When God brought Adam and Eve together, He declared them complete as they were. He only told them to be fruitful and multiply as a blessing - not as a command. God wanted them to be happy in whatever decision they would make together. God doesn't command (force) people to have children.




Well.... One thing at a time. You aren't married yet. (So how do you know the rest? Judging from what you said you don't know what you are talking about. If God's love doesn't diminish when he gives it, what makes you think that our being its channel changes its nature?)

As to that requisit first bit: My wife eventually came to the conclusion that one really should be ready to "not" marry in order to be truly ready "to" marry. She was right. When she no longer needed marriage to complete her (as you indicate above: "that attention and intimacy that I know I would need from him"), THAT was when God brought her future husband into the picture.

So, I guess I'll agree with you backhandedly, that children are not to be sought to complete a marriage! But neither is marriage to be sought to complete a person.

I just think that you have to start at the beginning, and let the rest follow naturally.

Peace!

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   Posted 9/15/2003 8:52 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Tigress.

I definitely do not intend my last post to be personal. So I'm speaking of what is generally true of poeple. Feel free to exclude yourself.

By the same token, what the CT article says is generally true of people too. Any complexities that may be unique to you, or whatever, do not detract from the wisdom of that article.

Again, Peace

(I'm done with this thread.)
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   Posted 9/15/2003 9:22 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
POW,
I understand what you're saying, and I of course know that marriage doesn't complete a person. That was not what I was saying at all. I was saying that as a complete person who does get married, I'd want as much alone-time with my husband as possible, because as a married person, I'll need that regardless of how complete I am or ever was before marriage. Otherwise, what's the point of being married at all? If I didn't care about having husbandly attentions I wouldn't have bothered getting married.

Finally, children are all well and good for people who like being around them and get along with them, but frankly, I think they're cute and all, but they stress me out too much because they're so noisy and hyper. I can't stand having all sorts of chaos going on around me. I've never been the kind of person who enjoys being around kids.


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