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honorman
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Posted 9/20/2003 10:27 PM (GMT -6)

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/18/opinion/18FRIE.html?ex=1065029546&ei=1&en=c8e87d5030f5eeef

DLW
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Posted 9/21/2003 8:31 AM (GMT -6)

Yeah,
while changes need to be made to how the US is running Iraq, the suggestions made by France aren't terribly helpful. The UN really doesn't want to take over and wouldn't necessarily do a better job..
dlw

Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

Triskal
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Posted 9/21/2003 8:59 PM (GMT -6)

Thomas Friedman. What can I say? The man is a genius. He always gets it right when it comes to foreign relations. I love his comments about how stupid the French are in launching a campaign against America.

quote:

"What is so amazing to me about the French campaign — 'Operation America Must Fail' — is that France seems to have given no thought as to how this would affect France." - Thomas Friedman

Anyone here supporting the French boycott?

"In Him we live and move and have our being" - Acts 17:28

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke

DLW
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Posted 9/22/2003 7:51 AM (GMT -6)

Pas du tout, j'aime bien les filmes francaises.

Je crois que, si les francais voulerent changer la equilibre de pouvoir, ils deberont etre plus intelligent.

Mais, c'est importante que nous aimons notre adversaires, parce-que nous sommes les pecheurs aussi, et ils pouvent nous arreter de faire beaucoup des peuples souffrir.

I'm sorry my french is rusty. As put in my post on the open view of politics that was prevalent in 18th Century america, even if the french proposal was not feasible and perhaps malintentioned, we do need to love our enemies and we do need them as a check on our collective nat'l power, to prevent us from causing much suffering among other peoples.
dlw

Triskal
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Posted 9/22/2003 6:12 PM (GMT -6)

quote:
Originally posted by DLW

we do need to love our enemies and we do need them as a check on our collective nat'l power, to prevent us from causing much suffering among other peoples.
dlw

While I do agree that it is good to have other countries there to help keep an eye on us and help us out, I don't believe that country should be France. I believe that any country we take advice from should be a country that we trust, as well as one that is interested in truth and justice. I do not believe that we can trust France, nor do I believe that they are primarily interested in doing what is right. They are only interested in seeing us weakened and themselves given further power. Their billion dollar oil deals with Iraq are the primary reason they didn't want us to attack Saddam. They have done nothing but hinder us in our efforts to resolve the situation in Iraq. True friends do not prevent and delay justice, they aid in bringing it about.

"In Him we live and move and have our being" - Acts 17:28

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke

Laika
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Posted 9/23/2003 2:03 AM (GMT -6)

I saw a former ambassador to Morocco on TeeVee and he said France is currently 10% Muslim and would be 20% Muslim in a decade or two. France is no longer the France of Americans' imaginations. It is becoming an Islamic nation. Madeline and Jihad. Tongue

inside you the time moves and she don't fade
the ghost in you she don't fade

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