 |
| Open Theism Discussion Board > Public Forums > Let’s solve the problem of evil > Did Jesus Die to Make You Straight? | Forum Quick Jump
|
 | 
PotOnWheel
Registered Member
Date Joined Jul 2001
Total Posts : 9890
| Posted 7/21/2004 8:04 AM (GMT -6) |   | I think that this is a RED HERRING.
Jesus lived and died and rose from the dead to liberate us from the bondage of the flesh.
And by the Word (the Son) God created the world, and made man "male and female." The constituative of humanity is BOTH male and female together. Of course those who do not marry ALSO are constituted in humanity as male or female together in the community of mankind, and in local communities, and in the Church.
Hanging everything on whether someone's temptations cease is a RED HERRIING. Nowhere does scripture say that Christians will not be temped. Everyone here remembers the Bible saying just the opposite.
The miracle will be that the flesh does not dominate. And that is the liberation of the Spirit.
Many "gay" are more straight than homosexual. For them it is a true perversion of their organic nature. And maybe they will be more "liberated" in their disposition.
But everyone, of every disposition is either becoming more enslaved to the flesh or less. There is no treading water.
And Paul's book of Romans is a good read in this regard; as is this LINK:
http://www.romanity.org/htm/rom.10.en.original_sin_according_to_st._paul.01.htm
| | Back to Top | | |
|
PotOnWheel
Registered Member
Date Joined Jul 2001
Total Posts : 9890
| Posted 7/21/2004 10:31 AM (GMT -6) | | That red herring ussually has the presupposition that if homosexuality is "wrong" then there has to be a cure. And if not, then it is OK. That's a paradigm that we shouldn't buy into. DLW posted lots of research that pointed out as fact that 1.25% of people are actually disposed towards same-sex-attraction. Probably true. He recommended interoutero (sp?) surguries to correct that. But even so, we ALL are "sexuals" and we all are fallen and in need of the redemption from the curse of death that we all inherit as a consequence of the fall. Original sin is a fact. (Augustine's "original guilt" is not -- IMHO and that of many others, like the whole of EO.)
Read the NT as a whole about the transformation, the transfiguration, the liberation from bondage. That is our THESIS! We promise none other than what Dietrich Bonhoeffer remarked, that: "When Jesus calls a man, He bids him come and die."
"Cheep grace" kills, eternally.
| | Back to Top | | |
|
feelinahole
Registered Member
Date Joined Jan 2004
Total Posts : 754
| Posted 7/21/2004 1:25 PM (GMT -6) | | | Ouch! That question on THIS bulletin board?! Not again! Never again would I go there. | | Back to Top | | |
|
Truth Aficionado
Registered Member
Date Joined Dec 2003
Total Posts : 1544
| Posted 7/22/2004 4:54 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by Ochuk
I ask this question, because many sincere believers say that if you are a homosexual, you can become straight because of your faith in Christ.
Do you believe this is true?
Hello Ochuk,
Much of what appears natural in this fallen world is in conflict with the paradise that God originally intended for us. As a result of the fall, we are all in an unnatural state of brokenness. Excepting Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior reunites us with our Creator, we journey back towards our true natural state that God designed for us. Faith in the Great Physician delivers us from our inequities and realigns us with our true nature found before the fall. It is only fair to ask why so many, so called, Christians are not transformed into this new nature.
Shalom,
Mark | | Back to Top | | |
|
1Heart
Registered Member
Date Joined Feb 2004
Total Posts : 1128
| Posted 7/22/2004 7:51 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by JEE
Did Jesus die to make you straight? Depends on whether or not you're crooked. 
A study of the word, "righteous" will reveal the answer to your question.
That's a tough question isn't it? We could replace it with, Did Jesus die to keep you from sinning? He died so that we could have a relationship with Him, now and for eternity. He also sent us a comforter, who also empowers us; not to live a sinless life, because that is impossible, but to walk in relationship with the Father, to love Him and love others. I believe we can have victory over sin. I don't believe the enforcing the law brings that victory. It only makes us aware of what sin is, and where we fall short.
I do believe that our righteousness is in Him, and not as a result of anything we do or don't do. That is not an excuse to sin. If we recognize our identity in Him, I believe we will tap into the power that is available to us to have victory over sin. The enemy wants to beat us down, and in that state, we are more likely to suffer defeat.
I'm rambling.
There is power available to us. Sometimes it is a matter of choice; often it is not that simple.
God Bless,
Jo-Anne 
"Sometimes all we can do is go back to the character of God, and drop anchor there."
| | Back to Top | | |
|
quest for truth
Registered Member
Date Joined Jul 2001
Total Posts : 479
| Posted 7/23/2004 1:27 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
moon river j: I do believe that our righteousness is in Him, and not as a result of anything we do or don't do. That is not an excuse to sin. If we recognize our identity in Him, I believe we will tap into the power that is available to us to have victory over sin. The enemy wants to beat us down, and in that state, we are more likely to suffer defeat
AMEN. You're not rambling -- preach it girl!
| | Back to Top | | |
|
barryatk
Registered Member
Date Joined Jun 2004
Total Posts : 101
| Posted 7/24/2004 5:50 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by Ochuk
I ask this question, because many sincere believers say that if you are a homosexual, you can become straight because of your faith in Christ.
Do you believe this is true?
Yes You Can!!
There are hundreds od changed ,previously homosexuals out there. I personally have had Christmas dinner with a crowd including Dennis Jernigan, the famous worship leader. His testimony has been given on TV to millions. He was gay. He went for help. The minister came on to him...devastating. He again reached for Christ and received healing. PTL! There are great ministries that know and deliver the power of God to heal this trouble. What a mockery to say God would make someone with a condition He call Abomination! What Grace that all of us once had many abominable sins and no hope UNTIL CHRIST SAVED AND HEALED! | | Back to Top | | |
| Forum Information | Currently it is Monday, November 09, 2026 2:57 PM (GMT -6)
There are a total of 97,718 posts in 6,040 threads.
In the last 3 days there were 0 new threads and 0 reply posts. View Active Threads
|
Forum powered by dotNetBB v2.42EC SP3
dotNetBB © 2000-2026 |
|
|