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rsirkel
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| Posted 8/27/2004 7:06 AM (GMT -6) |   | lock
I'm not sure if there is an official OV stance on the reason evil exists, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but this short article by Dallas Willard speaks to your question. If my recollection serves me correctly it is the same view as most OV on the board.
www.dwillard.org/articles/artview.asp?artid=30
Peace
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JEE
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| Posted 8/27/2004 9:30 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by lock
In the OT view, who is the creator of evil?
Lock
From my understanding of this, moral evil is not a created thing, it is a corrupted thing, an abuse of free will by free moral agents (Satan and the angels who fell, Adam, Eve, and all who follow).
Natural evil (calamity, temporal judgment, earthquakes, hurricanes, etc.) is a separate issue from moral evil:
Isaiah 45:7 The One forming light and creating darkness,
Causing well-being and creating calamity;
I am the LORD who does all these. NASB
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lock
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| Posted 8/27/2004 9:55 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by rsirkel
lock
I'm not sure if there is an official OV stance on the reason evil exists, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but this short article by Dallas Willard speaks to your question. If my recollection serves me correctly it is the same view as most OV on the board.
www.dwillard.org/articles/artview.asp?artid=30
Peace
Ron
Thank you for the article. There is much that I would agree with which Mr. Willard wrote about, but he is speaking of "moral evil" or sin. I was thinking more along the lines of what the second part of JEE's post speaks about. The "evil" that comes from God (1 Sam. 15:16, 16:14, 15, 26; 18:10; 2 Sam. 12:11; 17:14; 24:16, etc.) and in reference to Isaiah 46:10 (also see Job 2:10)when God declares that He created "evil". Since God does not sin ("moral evil") then all evil must not be considered sin if God creates it and/or brings it about.
Another side note for discussion would be that Mr. Willard addressed the suffering of believers and how it develops the expectation of future glory, but this does not address the suffering of the unbelievers who may be suffering in the same famine, or flood, or war, etc.
Lock
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lock
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| Posted 8/27/2004 9:58 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by JEE
quote:
Originally posted by lock
In the OT view, who is the creator of evil?
Lock
From my understanding of this, moral evil is not a created thing, it is a corrupted thing, an abuse of free will by free moral agents (Satan and the angels who fell, Adam, Eve, and all who follow).
Natural evil (calamity, temporal judgment, earthquakes, hurricanes, etc.) is a separate issue from moral evil:
Isaiah 45:7 The One forming light and creating darkness,
Causing well-being and creating calamity;
I am the LORD who does all these. NASB
This is the issue I wish to address, and I was wondering what the OT view of God bringing about this type of "evil" eventhough He does not sin.
Lock
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JEE
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| Posted 8/27/2004 10:07 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by lock
quote:
Originally posted by JEE
quote:
Originally posted by lock
In the OT view, who is the creator of evil?
Lock
From my understanding of this, moral evil is not a created thing, it is a corrupted thing, an abuse of free will by free moral agents (Satan and the angels who fell, Adam, Eve, and all who follow).
Natural evil (calamity, temporal judgment, earthquakes, hurricanes, etc.) is a separate issue from moral evil:
Isaiah 45:7 The One forming light and creating darkness,
Causing well-being and creating calamity;
I am the LORD who does all these. NASB
This is the issue I wish to address, and I was wondering what the OT view of God bringing about this type of "evil" eventhough He does not sin.
Lock
I think there are differences of opinion among OVers on this issue. To my mind, it cannot be morally evil for God to inflict punishment or chastisement on those who deserve it, in hopes that they will repent or that their cycle of sin will at least be stopped. (As in Jonah's prophecy to Nineveh).
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lock
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| Posted 8/27/2004 3:35 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by JEE
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Originally posted by lock
quote:
Originally posted by JEE
quote:
Originally posted by lock
In the OT view, who is the creator of evil?
Lock
From my understanding of this, moral evil is not a created thing, it is a corrupted thing, an abuse of free will by free moral agents (Satan and the angels who fell, Adam, Eve, and all who follow).
Natural evil (calamity, temporal judgment, earthquakes, hurricanes, etc.) is a separate issue from moral evil:
Isaiah 45:7 The One forming light and creating darkness,
Causing well-being and creating calamity;
I am the LORD who does all these. NASB
This is the issue I wish to address, and I was wondering what the OT view of God bringing about this type of "evil" eventhough He does not sin.
Lock
I think there are differences of opinion among OVers on this issue. To my mind, it cannot be morally evil for God to inflict punishment or chastisement on those who deserve it, in hopes that they will repent or that their cycle of sin will at least be stopped. (As in Jonah's prophecy to Nineveh).
It is clear to see how suffering (even when brought on by God) can be preparation for future glory, but how does the OT view look at or consider the suffering of unbelievers if you hold that their future is not glorious but spent in torment in hell for eternity?
Lock
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