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BBBCanada
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Posted 8/30/2004 10:56 AM (GMT -6)

Heard this on Focus on the Family today. A year ago today this tragedy occured. Some of you gals may want to grab some tissue before you listen.

www.family.org/fmedia/broadcast/a0033230.cfm
mightyintheland.com/index.html

Let's remember this brother in prayer as he cries EVERYDAY.

Brandon

"Corporations are simply the kind of structure that rises when hordes of people need to be managed, and after spending some time in a large church, I've found that our spirituality does not exempt us from these inefficient and dehumanizing practices."--Steve Lansingh's review of "The Office" at The Film Form

JEE
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Posted 8/30/2004 2:03 PM (GMT -6)

I agree it's tragically sad, but why must we try to assign moral categories to the natural processes of the world we live in? Our gut reaction to a story like this or to a person being eaten by a shark or killed in an auto accident is that it was "bad" or "evil." However, I personally can't see how an impersonal force like a flooding river (which is acting by cause and effect) is even capable of acting morally or immorally.

Also, doesn't it seem that with the kind of weather reporting we have available to us today, that people usually have ample opportunity to avoid dangerous situations like the one this poor guy and his family found themselves in?

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feelinahole
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Posted 8/31/2004 5:34 AM (GMT -6)

It is evil to us, but if a shark ate me he would not be committing an evil act, perse, but rather would simply be doing what he needs to do to survive: eat.

feelinahole
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Posted 8/31/2004 5:40 AM (GMT -6)

Grace Disguised by Sittser is a great book in dealing with multiple tradegy.

Truth Aficionado
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Posted 8/31/2004 5:40 AM (GMT -6)

Have you ever seen a farm cat toy with a mouse? The mouse might feel he’s a victim of evil as he slowly dies.

feelinahole
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Posted 8/31/2004 5:44 AM (GMT -6)

I have to say that after listening it for awhile I found it just a little melodramatic and I got bored with it. Tradegy that is shared in public must be done with tact, delicately. I simply found myself untouched after awhile and found myself thinking, "get on with it."
And the whole "touched the hand of God," frankly, lost me. Please!

feelinahole
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Posted 8/31/2004 5:46 AM (GMT -6)

Spark: I believe what you are doing is assigning human feelings to animals. I do not believe a mouse thinks in such terms.

feelinahole
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Posted 8/31/2004 5:53 AM (GMT -6)

And, frankly, someone who says that they have never been angry at God through everything that has happened to him is either greater than David who was angry at God many times, or is in denial. I choose number two. I also have to wonder if he would make such statements if he weren't on national radio.
The longer I listened to it, the more I was feeling maniqulated by Dobson and his crew. How Hollywood! Turning tradegy into ratings (the song was the topper).
I'll bet giving skyrocketed after this went on the air.

Sisters of Cain
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Posted 8/31/2004 5:59 AM (GMT -6)

quote:
Originally posted by sparknheart

Have you ever seen a farm cat toy with a mouse? The mouse might feel he’s a victim of evil as he slowly dies.

I think the mouse is giving ALL GLORY to the mouse god, in whose DIVINE TOTAL SOVEREIGNTY determined this cat-playing-with-me episode ZILLIONS OF YEARS before the earth began.

That's what the mouse's screeching is, PRAISES to the ETERNAL SOVEREIGN MOUSE GOD.

As the mouse is being swallowed by the cat, he has a brief moment of unbelief when he ponders, "if this is what the mouse god's love and goodness is like, how is it any different from his wrath?".

Big Smile

feelinahole
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Posted 8/31/2004 6:13 AM (GMT -6)

SOC: ZINGER! Big Smile

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Posted 8/31/2004 7:14 AM (GMT -6)

quote:
Originally posted by Sisters of Cain

quote:
Originally posted by sparknheart

Have you ever seen a farm cat toy with a mouse? The mouse might feel he’s a victim of evil as he slowly dies.

I think the mouse is giving ALL GLORY to the mouse god, in whose DIVINE TOTAL SOVEREIGNTY determined this cat-playing-with-me episode ZILLIONS OF YEARS before the earth began.

That's what the mouse's screeching is, PRAISES to the ETERNAL SOVEREIGN MOUSE GOD.

As the mouse is being swallowed by the cat, he has a brief moment of unbelief when he ponders, "if this is what the mouse god's love and goodness is like, how is it any different from his wrath?".

I heard you could get cat like reflexes from an all "natural evil" diet.

JEE
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Posted 8/31/2004 10:19 AM (GMT -6)

quote:
Originally posted by sparknheart

Have you ever seen a farm cat toy with a mouse? The mouse might feel he’s a victim of evil as he slowly dies.

That would certainly be true if animals were moral agents.

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Posted 8/31/2004 10:34 AM (GMT -6)

quote:
Originally posted by JEE

quote:
Originally posted by sparknheart

Have you ever seen a farm cat toy with a mouse? The mouse might feel he’s a victim of evil as he slowly dies.

That would certainly be true if animals were moral agents.

Are you trying to insinuate that Fluffy is not a "moral agent"?

JEE
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Posted 8/31/2004 10:38 AM (GMT -6)

Yikes! Looks to me like a metaphorical manifestation commonly referred to as a demon! The fact that I perceive it thus no doubt reflects my own pent-up inner conflicts. Man, I've gotta get in to see my shrink! Big Smile

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sometimesisquint
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Posted 9/1/2004 11:17 AM (GMT -6)

quote:
Originally posted by sparknheart
Are you trying to insinuate that Fluffy is not a "moral agent"?

That scared[/scares] me tremendously.

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"It's when you're two with the universe."

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