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Similitude
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| Posted 12/25/2004 2:15 AM (GMT -6) |   | Tom,
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Jeff: For God says no man has given unto Him first that it should be recompensed unto him. I.e., God owes no man anything. Man owes God thanks and worship for the good things that God HAS done for them and for BEING GOD. I think that's why the scripture says in more than one place that the beginning of wisdom/knowledge is the FEAR of the Lord. In other words, God should not be fundamentally viewed by us as compasssionate so much as JUST…
Tom: Yes, humankind owes God “thanks” and “worship.” But to be more specific, humankind owes God what God himself has specifically claimed he wants from him, and THAT is not just thanks, worship, or service, it’s LOVE, Jeff. The first and greatest command it to love the Lord your God. You know this of course. So from this point onward we have to concede as part of this whole package whatever “loving God” entails. That goes for us, for God, for theodicy, for all of it.
Doc said,
If one grants that God IS love, then one must see all God's attributes and activities as expressions of love. He's not LOVE + justice, but love AS justice. God's wrath is so fierce because his love is so fierce. (This helps me deal with the OT alot).
I think this sums it up. It also explains why God could NOT redeem without the cross, for it was the cross that made forgiveness JUST, as Rom. 3 says.
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