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Dragon Chaser
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| Posted 8/30/2005 1:35 AM (GMT -6) |   | | Shaheed Quote....
I'm not saying I agree with anything it says.
You don't agree with it? Have you read the whole thing and put it in perspective? Maybe you are missing your calling?
BUT you think it’s fun to bust my chops and assume I don’t know what I’m talking about just because I didn’t post the transparent ‘peaceful’ verses? Give me just one once of credit Shaheed, that’s all I ask of you. I’m not the evil conservative Pharisee you MAY think I am, I’m a child of God.
Get off your high horse when it comes to the bad hermeneutics. This isn’t something that takes a brain surgeon to figure out. I read much of the Quran and the whole prophet of doom. I don’t NEED to post the whole fricken Quran on here to prove my point.
The burden of proof falls upon you my friend. If Islam is a religion of peace you somehow prove it to me.
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Sahid
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| Posted 8/30/2005 2:17 AM (GMT -6) | | | I'm not the one making accusations. Innocent till proven guilty - that's the American way, right?
I never called you conservative or a Pharisee. I never said you were not a child of God or hadn't read what you're talking about. I didn't misspell your handle (what do you mean by that?) and I didn't get on a hermenuetical "high horse." I just ask you to be consistent. I never said Islam is a religion of peace.
All these things are your invention. I did not say even one of them. You're shadow-boxing.
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Dragon Chaser
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| Posted 8/30/2005 2:53 AM (GMT -6) | | |
Shaheed. In Islamic = A martyr i.e someone who dies in the way of Allah.
Shaheed sounds like Sahid. Get it? 
I’m sorry. I just don’t know what to post that you won’t say is just anecdotal evidence.
I was watching the news and this Imam whom supports Hamas declared it a victory for them when Israel pulled out of the Gaza strip. Also, he said Israel should not believe this would ease the tension because they will get bombed until they are dead and gone.
Before you say not all Muslims want the Jews dead, I’m sure there are a few who don’t, but why don’t any of them protest these attacks?
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Sahid
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| Posted 8/30/2005 5:17 PM (GMT -6) | | | | |
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Dragon Chaser
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| Posted 8/30/2005 9:07 PM (GMT -6) | | | | |
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Dragon Chaser
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| Posted 9/4/2005 11:01 PM (GMT -6) | | |
Oops, sorry Sahid, please forgive me, you were correct about the bad hermenuetics. I get caught up in the Christian dogma all the time. The god of the Hebrews makes Allah look like Mother Teresa. The more and more I read the Old Testament the more disturbing it is.
This is just a taste of the murder, hatred, scorn, torture, maliciousness, jealousy, childlike selfishness, anger, inhumanity, injustice and immorality.
http://www.biblicalnonsense.com/chapter9.html
God will kill men, have their children smashed, and have their wives raped (Isaiah 13:15-16).
God will punish children for the iniquities of their fathers and distant ancestors (Isaiah 14:21).
God will lay waste to entire cities and make the lands desolate (Jeremiah 4:7).
God will set people, animals, and even plants on fire because of his anger (Jeremiah 7:20).
God will send so much evil that people would rather be dead than suffer (Jeremiah 8:3).
God will give away the property of men, including their wives, to other men (Jeremiah 8:10).
God will kill young men, and their children will die from a famine (Jeremiah 11:22).
God will cause everyone to become drunk so father and son will kill one another (Jeremiah 13:14).
God will not hear the cries of the people or acknowledge their sacrifices (Jeremiah 14:12).
God will make people hungry enough to eat their own children and friends (Jeremiah 19:9).
God will burn entire cities with the inhabitants still inside (Jeremiah 50:32).
God will break people’s bones and knock their teeth out with stones (Lamentations 3:1-16).
God will force fathers and sons to eat each other and scatter their remembrance (Ezekiel 5:10).
God will be comforted by killing everyone with pestilence, plagues, and swords (Ezekiel 5:12-13).
God will lay dead bodies around idols and spread their bones around the alters (Ezekiel 6:5).
God will kill righteous men and forget their good deeds if they ever turn to sin (Ezekiel 18:24).
God will turn daughters into whores and wives into adulterers (Hosea 4:13).
God will kill children when they come out of their mothers’ wombs (Hosea 10:14).
God will tear people apart and devour them like a lion (Hosea 13:8).
God will kill children and unborn fetuses because their parents worship other gods (Hosea 13:16).
God will sell the children of Israel into slavery in a far away land (Joel 3:8).
God will kill inhabitants of entire cities if they have a corrupt government (Micah 3:9-12).
God will consume every living thing from the face of the earth (Zephaniah 1:2-3).
God will send people to steal Jerusalem, rape the women, and enslave the rest (Zechariah 14:2).
God will send plagues on people and animals to rot away tongues and eyes (Zechariah 14:12-15).
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Violin for God
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| Posted 9/6/2005 2:18 AM (GMT -6) | | Hmm... well, hope you all don't mind me jumping in here. I agree that the Old Testament has difficult passages, but I've never really had a lot of time to systematically go through the difficult passages in the major and minor prophets (ie, Isaiah to the end of the OT, I think)... so I'll do a bit of that. Hey, if anything it'll help me come to a better understanding of these.
At least you all didn't get to the point of isolating words and phrases and making up new meanings for those....
Such as Sahid's saying "logic mocks the Bible"...
Ok, ok, bad joke (Sahid, hope you're laughing). By the way, Sahid, I'd like to eventually finish what we had discussed on the Safe Haven thread about the whole skepticism thing. I hope you didn't take offense... I'll clarify at some other time... hopefully (unless school gets overwhelming again).
But seriously, we do need to take an honest look at the problematic Old Testament verses and see if a deeper look at them clarifies the true meaning of the verse. Perhaps I'll get another thread going on this since this thread deals with Islam and I'm aiming to discuss problematic sections of the Old Testament. For example, Sahid, from what I gathered, you openly admit that you omit/disregard as not actual scripture certain passages in the Bible that don't agree with who you gather Jesus to be, right?
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Similitude
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| Posted 9/7/2005 8:47 PM (GMT -6) | | | | |
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Violin for God
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| Posted 9/8/2005 11:44 PM (GMT -6) | | DC: I was just joking about that. I agree, Sahid was right on. As you saw, I took Sahid's quote completely out of context and it even gave the quote a whole new meaning. I was just bringing it all to an extreme, but I was trying to just bring a little bit of humor to the table. Guess it didn't appear that way. Sorry about that. 
Anyway, earlier you wrote: "The god of the Hebrews makes Allah look like Mother Teresa. The more and more I read the Old Testament the more disturbing it is." That's why I think it's important to look at the problematic verses in the Bible more in-depth, then perhaps look at the verses in the Qu'ran. I mean we can read verses on the surface all we want, and yes, the verses may indeed appear disturbing on the surface. But I'd like to see if a real in-depth look at these verses will show something different.
I'd like to take the plunge into the Bible, how about you? Are you interested in doing an in-depth study to the verses you listed?
If you're going to be skeptical, be fair and be skeptical of skepticism.Post Edited (Violin for God) : 9/8/2005 11:49:53 PM (GMT-5) | | Back to Top | | |
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Sahid
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| Posted 9/10/2005 3:41 AM (GMT -6) | | | | |
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