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lock
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| Posted 9/30/2004 8:07 AM (GMT -6) |   | quote:
Interesting. Why then does the Bible many, many times state specifically that God will judge all according to their deeds? If this is not responsibility, what is?
God's judgment's have a purpose. They are not punitive, they are corrective. The purpose for God's judgments is to reveal God's righteousness as a basis for His love, by placing the proper penalty on all injustice.
God's judgment will right all that is wrong. Even though our justice system does not hold a minor "responsible" as it would an adult, but yet there is still a corrective discipline for a crime committed. Even though God created man the way he is, God must discipline all that he has done wrong, in order to reveal His righteousness as a basis for His love.
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So you have no problem just shrugging your shoulders at Hitler's crimes?
It is not my place to judge anyone. Did Jesus die for Hitler's sins or not?
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lock
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| Posted 10/1/2004 3:36 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
The Bible states plainly that God is perfectly holy; to even suggest that "he has done wrong" flies directly in the face of Scripture.
The "he" refers to man. If I had been referring to God I would have had a capitol h. God must correct what man has done wrong.
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Depends on how you view the atonement. I must assume that, in keeping with your universalism, you subscribe to a form of satisfaction/penal substitution theory of the atonement. I do not find that view to be the scriptural nor the logical view. Christ died FOR (on account of) our sins and FOR (on behalf of) us, but his death did not discharge the debt of love we owe to God and our fellow man, nor was He punished in our place, nor did the Son bear the wrath of the Father, for Scripture never says so. If He bore the wrath of the Father in our stead, why then does Paul later point out in Romans 1 that the wrath of God is being revealed from heaven? And why does Paul and other NT writers speak of "the wrath to come" if the wrath has already been "satisfied" at Calvary?
The Lamb of God is taking the sins of the world away. God is reconciling the world to Himself through Christ Jesus. The wrath of God is relative to His dealing with the sins and injustice of man, but this does not take anything away from the absolute truth that God is love. In God's dealing with the sin and injustice of man, His righteousness is displayed, for the good of the one being corrected. This is the basis of God's love. Once a person has been properly corrected through God's judgment, then they will have a realization of God's righteousness. When they are made alive in Christ at the end of the eons, they will begin to develop a loving relationship with their Creator.
Thanfully God can display His righteousness through the faith of Christ Jesus without bringing a person before the white throne judgment. This is the elect. Jesus' death on the cross covers our sins. Through His spirit, God gives us a realization of His righteousness. The elect will be a display of God's grace in the ages to come.
I have never claimed that the wrath of God will not come. God will deal righteously with Israel and the world according to His timeline.
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lock
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| Posted 10/1/2004 7:30 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by rossfadeinout
Here is my main difficulty lock... You have said repetedly that man in his fleshly state is unable to do good. But then you say that God will punish righteously , even if that punishment will not last forever.
But how can someone be punished for something that God created them to do? Man CANNOT come to God, but God punishes him....
It doesn't add up.
Ross
In our justice system, a minor is not held as "responsible" as an adult is, even if their crime is similiar. In His judgment God treats all as a "minor", even though they are not "responsible" due to the flesh, God still must discipline all that was done wrong. As parents, we know that we ask our children to do the what they are uable to do, and yet we still correct them when they do something wrong. The discipline is for the good of the one being corrected. We discipline our children with the goal that they learn what is right and wrong. I know my son is unable to keep all of the rules my wife and I give him all of the time, but even though I know he is unable, I still must discipline he when he misses the mark we have set. God will discipline man so that man will have a full realization of God's righteousness.
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lock
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| Posted 10/1/2004 10:18 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Your position with respect to Hell is not clear. You seem to say that the only punishment the wicked must endure is death (by which you mean "sleep"). How, for instance, can it be punishment or even corrective for, say, a serial child molester to simply go to sleep for an eon?
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The lake of fire and brimstone is not the sentence. God will judge "the rest of the dead" according to their acts. The sentence is carried out before the throne. Would it be fair for a serial child molester to recieve the same judgment as a non-believing doctor who donates his services every few years for impoverished families in South America? Do they both deserve the same eternal torment in hell? God's judgment is just and righteous. A serial child molester will recieve a just judgment. After the God's judgment, a serial child molester will have a realization of God's righteousness as compared to his own unrighteousness.
After the judgment and sentence has been carried out, our serial child molester will be cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, which is the second death.
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