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spenlake
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I know it sounds wierd, but I mean the question as an honest one. It seems to me that, barring something special, I will find the anti-christ undeniably appealing. He will be very focused on helping humanity. He will support and bring peace. He will promise life and hope. He will be optimistic and likeable. He will use supernatural power to help show us the way. His character will be noble and he will have a fruitful minstry to the extent it captures the attention of the civil leaders who will desire to participate in his vision. He will solve our problems and offer comfort to our suffering.

What won't we like about anti-christ?


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   Posted 11/14/2004 1:45 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
his MOR music collection?


uromancer to the stars

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   Posted 11/14/2004 1:52 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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Originally posted by spenlake
What won't we like about anti-christ?



His self-pride.
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spenlake
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Originally posted by sparknheart

quote:
Originally posted by spenlake
What won't we like about anti-christ?



His self-pride.


Will we "feel it" or will it be initially obvious?


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   Posted 11/14/2004 3:47 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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Originally posted by spenlake
Will we "feel it" or will it be initially obvious?


No, I try not to trust in "feelings" too much, discernment is a better word. “Obvious”, I suspect it certainly won’t be too most people.

Personally, I put my full trust in no man but Christ. I’m lead by the Holy Ghost, confirmed by the Word of God. The fear of God leads to wisdom. Wisdom that reveals no mortal man (false idols) should ever be anointed nor exhaled above God.
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   Posted 11/15/2004 12:57 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Sparky: I’m lead by the Holy Ghost, confirmed by the Word of God.

Spen: Does the Word of God say anything explicit regarding the issue?


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   Posted 11/15/2004 3:34 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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Originally posted by spenlake

Sparky: I’m lead by the Holy Ghost, confirmed by the Word of God.

Spen: Does the Word of God say anything explicit regarding the issue?


How about the narrative of sixty six books? It’s not my calling to sort through the Church at large, relentlessly searching for the anti-christ. I can’t save the world, the Father sent his Son to do that. Any other man that thinks he can save the world is a fake. What is your quest anyways? My focus is to keep my eyes fixed on Jesus; his Kingdom is not of this world. He can be found in the least of those, like in the eyes of a helpless child, not to be confused with a glittering man.
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   Posted 11/16/2004 9:24 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The anti-Christ will want to be worshipped as a god, thus attempting to usurp Christ's rightful place as Lord of all. That alone should be repulsive to all those who love Jesus.


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   Posted 11/16/2004 9:41 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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I know it sounds wierd, but I mean the question as an honest one. It seems to me that, barring something special, I will find the anti-christ undeniably appealing. He will be very focused on helping humanity. He will support and bring peace. He will promise life and hope. He will be optimistic and likeable. He will use supernatural power to help show us the way. His character will be noble and he will have a fruitful minstry to the extent it captures the attention of the civil leaders who will desire to participate in his vision. He will solve our problems and offer comfort to our suffering.

What won't we like about anti-christ?
He'll be an open theist?

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   Posted 11/16/2004 1:43 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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Originally posted by spenlake
What won't we like about anti-christ?


Are you grading on a curve?



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spenlake
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   Posted 11/16/2004 2:54 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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The anti-Christ will want to be worshipped as a god, thus attempting to usurp Christ's rightful place as Lord of all. That alone should be repulsive to all those who love Jesus.

Not at first and I believe that most of those worshipping him are sincerely believing him to be the anointed one (Christ) not a substitute anointed one.

I believe that ou are right but it won't appear that obvious.


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Daniel 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.


There is more in context where that verse was used. I thought it was interesting and something I have never heard anyone attribute to the
anti-christ. I don't think he will be as appealing as your introductory remarks describe, except to those who like the opposite
of God's will.

Peace
Ron
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   Posted 11/16/2004 4:18 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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Daniel 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.


There is more in context where that verse was used. I thought it was interesting and something I have never heard anyone attribute to the
anti-christ. I don't think he will be as appealing as your introductory remarks describe, except to those who like the opposite
of God's will.

Peace
Ron



Or, it could simply mean that he won't be swayed by any of the things a normal man would likely be swayed by--God and babes.

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spenlake
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   Posted 11/17/2004 1:17 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
quote:
Originally posted by JEE

quote:
Originally posted by rsirkel

quote:
Daniel 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.


There is more in context where that verse was used. I thought it was interesting and something I have never heard anyone attribute to the
anti-christ. I don't think he will be as appealing as your introductory remarks describe, except to those who like the opposite
of God's will.

Peace
Ron



Or, it could simply mean that he won't be swayed by any of the things a normal man would likely be swayed by--God and babes.

John




I always thought about the phrase in the way John pointed out, as he would appear pious and not swayed by the immorality that is one of the easier sins to see as black and white? There is a false humility that magnifies men above all. "Many will come in my name claiming to be anointed." He deceives, that is extremely clear. I think that wolves in sheep's clothing look like wolves until they speak and even then the attack isn't obvious. I think that angels of light look like angels.

I like the attention given to the "message" of the man in Daniel, "he will magnify." I think that we will begin to find what we won't (or shouldn't) like hidden in his message.


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   Posted 11/18/2004 3:55 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
quote:
Originally posted by spenlake

I know it sounds wierd, but I mean the question as an honest one. It seems to me that, barring something special, I will find the anti-christ undeniably appealing. He will be very focused on helping humanity. He will support and bring peace. He will promise life and hope. He will be optimistic and likeable. He will use supernatural power to help show us the way. His character will be noble and he will have a fruitful minstry to the extent it captures the attention of the civil leaders who will desire to participate in his vision. He will solve our problems and offer comfort to our suffering.

What won't we like about anti-christ?



Very interesting post!! The book of Revelation agrees with you. "Who is like the Beast?" "And who is able to wage war with him?"

Jim
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   Posted 11/26/2004 10:15 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
quote:
Originally posted by spenlake

I know it sounds wierd, but I mean the question as an honest one. It seems to me that, barring something special, I will find the anti-christ undeniably appealing. He will be very focused on helping humanity. He will support and bring peace. He will promise life and hope. He will be optimistic and likeable. He will use supernatural power to help show us the way. His character will be noble and he will have a fruitful minstry to the extent it captures the attention of the civil leaders who will desire to participate in his vision. He will solve our problems and offer comfort to our suffering.

What won't we like about anti-christ?



Our spirit will not bear witness with his spirit. We will look into his eyes (should we be so unlucky) and see a counterfeit.

Jo-Anne Sheep (The sheep know the Shepherd's voice)


"Sometimes all we can do is go back to the character of God, and drop anchor there."

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   Posted 11/27/2004 3:36 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

. . . seems to me that I will find the lawless one’s undeniable appeal, help, support, promise, optimism, supernatural power, character, and ministry of problem solving and comfort to captures my attention . . .




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   Posted 11/27/2004 12:18 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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Originally posted by Tim



I want pudding Tongue




Chocolate pudding? Tongue


"Sometimes all we can do is go back to the character of God, and drop anchor there."

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   Posted 12/9/2004 5:31 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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. . . seems to me that I will find the lawless one’s undeniable appeal, help, support, promise, optimism, supernatural power, character, and ministry of problem solving and comfort to captures my attention . . .



That's a scary thought. The problem is that it's going to be so subtle that even the elect will agree with him. At least that's what the Bible says. He is not going to be easy to pick out. It seems to me that the people who teach end times give me the impression that the Beast will be easy to pick out. For example, the Bible says that the Beast will declare himself to be God, that he will blashpheme the temple of God. So right there you are under the impression that there will be another temple built and that the Beast will go in there and blashpheme it. And then we can say, "Oh he's the one!!" But if the elect of God can agree with the Beast then how can it be that simple as the end times teachers say?

I think a lot of the "Kingdom of the World" stuff is going to fit right into that. You know, Christians today rely much on the government to get things done, that sometimes, we trust the sword instead of the cross, and I think that is where the delusion will be.
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Maiden:a maid, from magu, a son, a servant. Specialized cross braced guillotines, for beheading brutal criminals. No house hold, should be without one. It is magical, in the way that it not only heels the sinner, who was sadly unable to heel him/herself from their licensious addiction to moleste, rape, plunder(all types),enslave, exploit and murder at random, but for the healing and renewing invigoration, health, happiness,true peace and prosperity that it brings to all truly sane, juste and moral people. The irony of this measuring rod, or beast,as it is also known, is that the Son, does in reality, actually remove the perverse beastial head of each setonistic, occultic, immoral, unrighteous, inhueman anti-Christ, anti-Roman lawmakers, and Mafioso peace keepers (both male and female), thus returning back the Beautiful Head, or Correct, Proper, and Fitting Roman Law and Jurisdiction back to each and every Godly and Juste individual. This is what is known as Self Government. The Moste High God, within each and every individual, is known in truth ,as The Self. No sacrifices. No whipping boys, or whipping girls. You are held responsible for your own criminal actions. I highly endorse it!


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   Posted 6/11/2005 5:57 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
spen, et al.

i dunno. it seems to me we're movin' a little fast on this one...everybody's just kinda throwin' around daniel and thessalonians as though the interpretation of these passages as the "antichrist" is a given when, actually, these passages are very murky and there's LOADS of debate on them regarding to whom they refer.


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