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bryan mccarthy
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  		   Posted 1/31/2005 8:29 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hey, gang.  This is my first thread in the problem of evil forum. 
 
Okay, I need some insight on the following: Doc (if I may use this term of endearment not attending his church or knowing him personally at all) says that every disease, genetic flaw, etc. is a Satanic manipulation of God's creation - "Nothing operates the way it was supposed to."  I believe that he includes blindness from birth in this because he has a whole teaching on John 9 and how Jesus may not have been saying the blind man was born blind for any specific purpose, rather, though there was no divine purpose for his condition, "Let god be glorified!" through my power to overcome the kingdom of darkness. 
 
Okay, I buy this, but now I'm reading Exodus and I come across this line: "Then the Lord said to him, 'Who has made man's mouth?  Who makes him mute, or deaf, or blind?  Is it not I, the Lord?'" (Ex 4.11, ESV)  Do you see my dilemma?  From my [possibly mis] understanding of Doc's teaching, blindness is not a creative act of God, but a Satanic manipulation of the true creation or at very least, a product of the Satanic manipulation of the creation in general, but here, the author of Exodus attributes it to YHWH.  Can anybody help me understand this better? 
 
 
Bryan

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bryan mccarthy
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  		   Posted 2/23/2005 12:30 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Hey, how come no one's been in this entire forum since Janurary 31st?  Is the problem of evil dead or...?  shakehead

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markporter
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  		   Posted 2/23/2005 5:37 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Bryan McCarthy said...
Hey, how come no one's been in this entire forum since Janurary 31st? Is the problem of evil dead or...? shakehead

Bryan


I think the life of the forum at the moment tends to revolve about Mephi being controversial about things
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Similitude
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  		   Posted 2/23/2005 7:52 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Bryan said...
Do you see my dilemma?  From my [possibly mis] understanding of Doc's teaching, blindness is not a creative act of God, but a Satanic manipulation of the true creation or at very least, a product of the Satanic manipulation of the creation in general, but here, the author of Exodus attributes it to YHWH.  Can anybody help me understand this better? 
I believe that God made the original human genome and creates all souls/spirits since then.  Thus, God "makes" the blind insomuch as he creates their soul/spirit and is responsible for the original genome which has been mutated, etc. but passed on by reproduction.  But God did not originally WISH for there to be blindness.  He tolerates it as He does sin and all other natural evil.  That's my take, anyway.

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AtTheWell
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  		   Posted 2/25/2005 2:54 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
markporter said...
Bryan McCarthy said...
Hey, how come no one's been in this entire forum since Janurary 31st? Is the problem of evil dead or...? shakehead

Bryan


I think the life of the forum at the moment tends to revolve about Mephi being controversial about things
 CRAP you guys!!!!furious3-smiley  I was hoping it was because it had been solved!:p  

Peace,
ATW

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AtTheWell
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  		   Posted 2/25/2005 3:06 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ex.4:11
Then the Lord said to him, "Who gives speech to mortals? Who makes them mute or deaf, seeing or blind? Is it not I, the Lord?" (NRSV)

jefscott said: I believe that God made the original human genome and creates all souls/spirits since then.  Thus, God "makes" the blind insomuch as he creates their soul/spirit and is responsible for the original genome which has been mutated, etc. but passed on by reproduction.  But God did not originally WISH for there to be blindness.  He tolerates it as He does sin and all other natural evil.  That's my take, anyway.

ATW: I agree with what your saying, but what is up with the way that is translated here??? I'm sure this one has been tackled before.  Where is it?  Point me to it? 

Peace,
ATW

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Similitude
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  		   Posted 2/25/2005 7:19 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
ATW: I agree with what your saying, but what is up with the way that is translated here??? I'm sure this one has been tackled before. Where is it? Point me to it?

Jeff: Don't know. The interlinear translation I read just says God MADE the deaf, dumb, etc.

wjs

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bryan mccarthy
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  		   Posted 3/12/2005 2:09 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

.So this could be a translation issue then, Jef? 

Does anybody know hebrew?

 

Bryan

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AtTheWell
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  		   Posted 3/12/2005 4:38 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Sorry Bry, that's a no here, but learning it IS on my list of to do's!!! :-)

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Similitude
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  		   Posted 3/13/2005 10:22 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Humphrey Bogart knows Hebrew but I don't know if he's reading this thread.

wjs

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TomEwall
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  		   Posted 3/14/2005 12:32 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I was trying to respond to the thread on faith, but somehow managed to instead to get myself to ignore the listings of the person I wanted to repsond to, and since he posted the thread, I can't see it anymore. I don't see how to unignore the guy, nor do I even know who the poor fellow is.

The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of God's character of love.

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bryan mccarthy
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  		   Posted 3/26/2005 3:34 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi, guys...

ATW: Sorry Bry, that's a no here, but learning it IS on my list of to do's!!!

Bryan: Thanks, Bro

wjs: Humphrey Bogart knows Hebrew but I don't know if he's reading this thread.

Bryan: Awesome! *Smile*
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