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DLW
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  		   Posted Yesterday 7:30 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july-dec03/democracy_11-07.html

Bush gives a very idealistic vision of how the US can bring more democracy to the Middle East by starting with Iraq.

Arab-USAmericans discuss his proposal and are skeptical about it. But they acknowledge the need for democratic reforms...

dlw

Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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DLW
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  		   Posted 11/15/2003 12:19 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
“We are not pulling out until the job is done. Period”


http://www.msnbc.com/news/993827.asp?0si=-

Bush says finding Saddam is key goal

“We are not pulling out until the job is done. Period”

By Andrew Gowers
FINANCIAL TIMES

Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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DLW
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  		   Posted 1/23/2004 7:39 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The below link gives an interesting description of how USMuslims are likely swing-voters in the upcoming election.

dlw

** US Muslims flex political muscle **
American Muslims could play a crucial part in deciding the outcome of this year's presidential elections.
< http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/1/hi/world/americas/3422685.stm >

Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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  		   Posted 1/23/2004 8:33 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
quote:
Originally posted by DLW

“We are not pulling out until the job is done. Period”


http://www.msnbc.com/news/993827.asp?0si=-

Bush says finding Saddam is key goal

“We are not pulling out until the job is done. Period”

By Andrew Gowers
FINANCIAL TIMES (FT.com)

Financial Times (FT.com) legal patter that's being violated:

1. Access and Use

FT.com is split into three sections. Areas that are: (1) accessible to all; (2) accessible to registered users; and (3) accessible to paying subscribers. Certain sites or pages are only designed for use by UK users - see Section 10 below for details.

Permitted Use: All FT Content belongs to FT or its licensors. FT or its licensors own all intellectual property rights (including copyright and database rights) in the FT Content and any selection or arrangement of the FT Content. You may for your personal, non-commercial use:

- retrieve and display FT Content on any compatible device;
- print a single copy of individual articles on paper (but not photocopy them); and
- store such articles in electronic form on disk or on a mobile device (but not on any server or other storage device connected to a network).
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Get it? You can display it for the purpose of reading it but NOT store it on a server.
http://www.christusvictorministries.org is a server and is connected to a network. MSNBC.com has obviously gotten permission and/or pays a fee in order to reprint that article on their site.


inside you the time moves and she don't fade
the ghost in you she don't fade

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Laika
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  		   Posted 1/23/2004 8:55 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
DLW, I got an idea. How about you always just link to the articles and provide a brief summary of them. Then people could choose to read the full article if they want but don't have to wade past a bunch of inline articles to get to the current posts. I have a friend (hard to believe, I realize) who is the polar opposite of me on many issues yet we discuss issues because we each put our own thoughts to them and keep them succinct. Then threads are kept readable AND no copyright laws are violated.


inside you the time moves and she don't fade
the ghost in you she don't fade

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DLW
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  		   Posted 1/23/2004 9:19 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hey, Laika,

we've already been there...

The post you're pointing out was made in Nov.

CVM already has Ata, lets let sleeping dogs rest in peace.

dlw

Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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DLW
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  		   Posted 1/23/2004 9:30 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
So what say you, Laika,

are you boycotting the "Beginning of a debate" thread because it includes an entire article posted, even though it is within the copy-right laws of Sojourners?

I know my past posts were wrong, but sometimes I don't have enough time to summarize an article that I think is worthy of note...

The above articles were of that sort, since how we deal with the politics of the Middle East will affect long-term Christian-Muslim relations.

dlw

Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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ataraxia
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  		   Posted 1/24/2004 7:25 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
DLW writes: are you boycotting the "Beginning of a debate" thread because it includes an entire article posted, even though it is within the copy-right laws of Sojourners?

Reply: I'll be removing cut-n-pasted articles whether posting them is within copy-right laws or not. We pay for our space. So...

DLW writes: I know my past posts were wrong, but sometimes I don't have enough time to summarize an article that I think is worthy of note...

Reply: If you don't have time to summarize it you don't have time to discuss it. If you don't have time to discuss it, you don't have any business posting it. This is a DISCUSSION site, not a billboard.

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DLW
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  		   Posted 1/24/2004 7:49 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
okay,

points accepted.

On other boards, articles posted have led to subsequent discussion by the poster and others..., but I'll acknowledge my tastes differ from the general tenor of this board and continue my practice of not posting articles where the copy-right forbids them to be reposted.
dlw

Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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ataraxia
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  		   Posted 1/24/2004 8:18 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
DLW: I'll acknowledge my tastes differ from the general tenor of this board and continue my practice of not posting articles where the copy-right forbids them to be reposted.

ataraxia: You'll not post entire articles even if the copy-right laws permit you to post them here or you'll be banned from posting, period.

Have a nice day.

atx
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