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DLW
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  		   Posted 1/4/2004 10:45 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Does it matter that misinformation about the direct immediate threat Iraq was to the US was used to ensure popular support in the US for GWII?

Does it matter that the Neo-Cons in the Bush-Admin. antagonized the int'l community and engendered a high degree of popular opposition against GWII, making it so that the US now carries much of the burden casualty and money-wise?

Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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honorman
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Does it matter that people write polls that are little more than propaganda for their own one-sided views...does it matter that polls are used for propaganda for people who feel they have everything figured out, rather than to actually gain true information...do polls really matter at all when people misuse them so much?
I feel like Jesus asking Pharisees questions they are unwilling to answerEvil Tongue
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wondering04
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  		   Posted 1/4/2004 1:46 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Amen honorman, that is such a one-sided poll that the results will not give an accurate assessment.

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DLW
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  		   Posted 1/7/2004 10:03 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
quote:
Originally posted by honorman

Does it matter that people write polls that are little more than propaganda for their own one-sided views...does it matter that polls are used for propaganda for people who feel they have everything figured out, rather than to actually gain true information...do polls really matter at all when people misuse them so much?
I feel like Jesus asking Pharisees questions they are unwilling to answerEvil Tongue


There are some serious no answers, but yes the poll is not meant to be an objective poll.

HM, given the general lack of new information in your posts, I'm afraid you are the pot calling the kettle black. We already hashed this thing over extensively, what true information are you seeking to bring our attention to?

dlw

Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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DLW
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  		   Posted 1/8/2004 6:13 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3378467.stm

The Carnegie Endowment for International Peace has said

"Administration officials systematically misrepresented the threat from Iraq's WMD and ballistic missile programmes,"

there was "no convincing evidence" that Iraq had reconstituted its nuclear programme. There was greater uncertainty about its biological weapons, it continues, but the threat related to what could be developed in future rather than what Iraq actually had.

Moreover, "There was no evidence to support the claim that Iraq would have transferred WMD to al-Qaeda and much evidence to counter it."

I believe my characterization of the difficulties at the beginning of the poll are a fair statement of the situation.

dlw

Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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DLW
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  		   Posted 1/11/2004 8:31 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/11/opinion/11SUN1.html

Recent reports have cast even more doubt on the credibility of claims that Iraq had WMD capacity prior to GWII.

dlw

Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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DLW
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  		   Posted 1/11/2004 12:24 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6632-2004Jan10.html

Apparently, Bush was gearing/demanding that the US find ways to force a regime-change in Iraq shortly after entering office, long before 9-11.

dlw

Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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DLW
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  		   Posted 1/13/2004 4:40 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2093620/entry/2093763/

Here is a debate among hawkish liberals over whether or not it was worth it to make a regime-change in Iraq.

dlw

Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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Wahoo
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  		   Posted 1/28/2004 2:28 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
DLW,
I was looking forward to voting in your poll but... It begs the question!!! I don't think that a war has to be justified publicly. My views wouldn't justify any war anyhow. However, in light of Mr. Kay's testimony today he was of the opinion that the WMD's were irrelevant in making a decision to oust Hussien. The only purpose for the WMD argument was to garner popular support. Was it wrong? Then this administration is guilty of persuasion. That's politics for you. It eventually will bite all sides in the rear.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,109701,00.html
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