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PotOnWheel
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Posted 1/7/2006 2:58 PM (GMT -6)

A line in the homily LINKed to below is "...the infinite sorrow of God."

God loves even those who "choose hell" over his love... And a part of that is "the infinite sorrow of God."

Listen if you wish (about ten minutes, by someone with a very nice preaching voice), and pay particular attention to the last quarter of it:

For God so Loved the World

http://ancientfaithradio.com/archives/2005/allsaints/For_God_so_Loved_the_World.mp3

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Similitude
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Posted 1/7/2006 9:29 PM (GMT -6)

1 Cor. 13 says love suffers long. This might imply eternal suffering, but it doesn't seem necessary to assume so. It makes more sense to me that God saves all or that He never remembers the former things, intentionally.

JEE
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Posted 1/7/2006 9:45 PM (GMT -6)

Very good homily. It reminded me of a sermon I read some time ago, "The Man Who Had Nothing to Offer God" :

http://newsnet.org/features/arrington-2.htm

Post Edited (JEE) : 1/7/2006 9:15:46 PM (GMT-6)

Similitude
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Posted 1/7/2006 10:04 PM (GMT -6)

John, do you think God will sorrow forever?

JEE
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Posted 1/7/2006 10:15 PM (GMT -6)

jefscott said...
John, do you think God will sorrow forever?

Yes.

Since I do not find universalism a reasonable option biblically, it follows necessarily that God's sorrow and suffering will endure so long as He omnisciently retains the memory of even one lost son of His. And, I do not find the idea that God can erase portions of His omniscient memory the least bit plausible.

John

Similitude
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Posted 1/7/2006 10:27 PM (GMT -6)

John: And I do not find the idea that God can erase portions of His omniscient memory the least bit plausible.

Jeff: Here's the thing I wonder. Is God conscious of all truths at every moment? If not, then God can know a thing without "recalling" it to consciousness. I don't know why it must be true that God MUST be conscious of all truths at every moment OR, barring that, that God MUST bring to consciousness thoughts that are not currently IN consciousness. The latter might be ONLY caused volitionally by God.

And I, too, find universalism implausible, biblically. BTW, are things going better with regards to your prayer request?

PotOnWheel
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Posted 1/8/2006 12:09 AM (GMT -6)

JEE said...
"The Man Who Had Nothing to Offer God" :

A Gift for God

http://janotec.typepad.com/terrace/2006/01/a_gift_for_god.html

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JEE
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Posted 1/8/2006 1:08 AM (GMT -6)

BTW, are things going better with regards to your prayer request?

This Sunday night will tell the tale. Thanks for asking.

Post Edited (JEE) : 1/8/2006 12:43:57 AM (GMT-6)

spenlake
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Posted 1/10/2006 8:45 AM (GMT -6)

POW said...

God loves even those who "choose hell" over his love... And a part of that is "the infinite sorrow of God."

While this is true, God never approves of those who choose hell or even those who practice sin. God's approval is only found for those who are repent and believe in the blood that the man Jesus shed for them. Those who choose hell were and remain objects of wrath, even though God extends His love for them tangibly in the offer of redemption through the death of His Son.

Spen Lake

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