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DLW
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  		   Posted 1/14/2004 12:07 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Jim Wallis on upswing of interest in Religion and Politics.


Taken from Sojourner email... http://www.sojo.net

Hearts & Minds
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The beginning of a debate

by Jim Wallis

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Edited by ataraxia

Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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ataraxia
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  		   Posted 1/14/2004 10:48 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Please note the copyright policy of Sojourner here: http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=about_us.copyright_policy

I'm not going to research the copyright policies of websites for you any longer. No more articles, period. Just URLs.

ataraxia
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fyodor
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  		   Posted 1/15/2004 5:33 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
gotta love a mod who shows that kind of punch!

†††"One rarely finds an exposition of which it holds true that the exposition is that which is expounded." – S. Kierkegaard

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DLW
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  		   Posted 1/19/2004 7:47 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ata, the link was more geared at for those that want to submit works to Sojo's

Here is their official policy on reposting

Copyright (c) 2004 Sojourners. All Rights Reserved.

SojoMail material may be freely distributed, as
long as it bears the following attribution:

Source: Sojourners 2004 (c) http://www.sojo.net


Hearts & Minds
+++++++++++++++++++++
The beginning of a debate...

and the end of this article.

ataraxia

Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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DLW
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  		   Posted 1/23/2004 6:26 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
http://www.interfaithalliance.org/Election2004/Election2004List.cfm?c=88

Here is a link to where there are interviews of almost all the Dem candidates on their understanding of the separation of Church and State.

dlw

Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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ataraxia
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  		   Posted 1/24/2004 7:34 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
DLW-

If you repost something I've deleted again, you'll be banned for a while.

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DLW
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  		   Posted 1/24/2004 7:44 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Did you read what I wrote?

I was not in conflict with the copy-right proceedings of Sojourners.

You yourself failed to read what their policy was in much detail, as I explained.

Do you really think that Jim Wallis would have a problem with his "Beginning of a debate" article being posted as part of the beginning of a debate?

dlw

Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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ataraxia
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  		   Posted 1/24/2004 8:14 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
DLW: Did you read what I wrote?

ataraxia: Yes.

DLW: I was not in conflict with the copy-right proceedings of Sojourners.

ataraxia: I don't really care, DLW. I've said it before and will repeat it for you in case you missed it: I'll delete cut-and-pasted articles you post regardless of whether the original source gives you permission to post them here or not. I hope you "get it" finally.

DLW: Do you really think that Jim Wallis would have a problem with his "Beginning of a debate" article being posted as part of the beginning of a debate?

ataraxia: I couldn't care less what Jiim Wallis thinks about it. But I hope YOU get my point. Don't post entire articles anymore regardless of copy-right laws. Post a summary in your own words and the URL. If people are interested, they'll read it and respond. If they're not, they won't.

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DLW
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  		   Posted 1/24/2004 8:38 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Be sure to apply this to everyone.

I'm going to take a self-imposed exile.

Have a nice year.

dlw

Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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ataraxia
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  		   Posted 1/24/2004 10:19 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I will try to be even-handed in applying this, DLW. But I want to be honest with you in admitting that it's the sheer amount of material you post which creates the need for me to act as I do. What I mean is, if somebody who as a rule does not post article after article breaks her habit and posts an entire article without infringing upon any copy-right laws, I'd be inclinded to let it go. They're likely quite interested in discussing the article and don't have several other full-length articles in other threads as well. But unfortunately your habit is to post entire articles whenever possible regardless of whether you or anyone else comments on them.

You're daily average is down from what it once was, but for months on end you were averaging more than 10 posts per day, seven days a week. That's quite amazing. You are down a few post per day on your average, but one has to wonder whether or not you view this as a "discussion" site or an opporunity to adversize.

Personally, I love reading YOU when you offer YOUR thoughts. So don't leave. Just streamline things a bit, give us your own thoughts, and enjoy the weather!

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