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Joe McCowan
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Being new to the board I am curious as to everyone's thoughts on evangelism conducted in open air settings, by open air preachers.  Having preached in congregational and open air settings for the past 10yrs, I am always curious to hear the insights of believers with different backgrounds.  I know that Jesse is a wonderful open air preacher and budding young theologian, but have no idea if there are others among us. 
 
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I'll say this. In one of Jesse's videos, a guy starts to talk back to Jesse. And Jesse seemed to use the occasion to change the subject a bit without, seemingly, acknowledging that some actual person was addressing him. IOW, it seems to me that if you're gonna go "open air," you gotta engage people with bona-fide dialogue rather than continuing some kind of "talk" as if you're an invited speaker that deserves to be uninterrupted. I know that's not how Jesse meant to come off. But it seemed that way, superficially.

We live in a world where young people can not be assumed to have even basic agreement with biblical themes. My two sons are in an ethics class in college (in the South, where it's pretty much bible belt, for what that's worth), and I'm amazed at how relativistic and epistemologically skeptical their classmates are willing to argue to avoid anything like meaningful accountability. So some genuine discussion, like Paul did with the philosophers, is almost necessary to get on the same page verbally, anymore.

Another thing: I don't believe in eternal punishment. And I seem to remember Jesse talking about that. So that would be problematic for me.


 

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Joe McCowan said...
Being new to the board I am curious as to everyone's thoughts on evangelism conducted in open air settings, by open air preachers. 
I've heard them at universities.
 
My opinion is, who am I to tell God how, when, through whom, where He can speak?
 
If He wants to speak through a Jeremiah, an Isaiah, an open air speaker, an ass (and I've heard a few of them, too), who am I judge His choices and methods?
 
preach on....
 
 
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Joe McCowan
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   Posted 3/27/2008 10:25 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Thank you for your thoughts, I appreciate your posts.

" If He wants to speak through a Jeremiah, an Isaiah, an open air speaker, an ass (and I've heard a few of them, too), who am I judge His choices and methods? "

Well said. Over the years I am sure I have resembled all four of the vessels that you mentioned.

Grace and Peace, Joe

 

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I'm generally conviniced that there is little communication going on in a monolog...


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Anyone who mentions hell is pretty much okay with me...


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   Posted 3/27/2008 4:51 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
"Anyone who mentions hell is pretty much okay with me..."

LOL! Very nice.

Seriously, down here in Waco we have Church Under the Bridge. They take over the overpass for a couple hours and all are welcome. I think it's great. Standing on a crate on a busy street corner shouting at passers-by may be less appropriate. I really don't know what you had in mind.


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Zach,

Dude, you're in Waco??

Small friggin world. That's pretty much my hometown. My immediate family and a lot of my peoples are down in that area.  East Waco, near Bellmead and Lacy Lakeview.

I almost went to Baylor...

Interesting. Next time I visit the fam, perhaps I can catch up with you. ;-)


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Similitude
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Feelin: Anyone who mentions hell is pretty much okay with me...

Jeff: Me too. I don't even have a problem with the idea of something like what we call hell. That's obviously scriptural. I've just given up on being able to prove it's eternal. And it makes more sense to me if it's not. That's 2 outta 2.
 
I appreciate Jesse's posts here, too. He seems to really have spent time at trying to make sense of biblical narrative in terms of OT.


 

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Sahid
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Yeah, I'm a Truett drop out.


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Joe McCowan
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Sahid said...
"Anyone who mentions hell is pretty much okay with me..."

LOL! Very nice.

Seriously, down here in Waco we have Church Under the Bridge. They take over the overpass for a couple hours and all are welcome. I think it's great. Standing on a crate on a busy street corner shouting at passers-by may be less appropriate. I really don't know what you had in mind.

There are many different approaches to open air preaching, just as there are many different approaches to congregational preaching.  In both settings, there are good and bad examples of conveying the message. I can honestly say that I have never preached an open air message that did not mention hell. In some settings the preaching is conversational, in some cases it consists of an open rebuke, and always I try to give a rational explanation of the gospel and the Christian faith.  Jesse speaks to college students on a daily basis, whereas I primarily preach open air at festivals and large public venues. I have been the guy on the busy street corner shouting at passers-by, but generally try to engage people in dialog without being unnecessarily offensive. I always try to answer questions without letting the audience dictate the message.  It is a fine line to walk. From what I have seen on Jesse's videos, he does a great job walking that line.

 

Grace and Peace, Joe 

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   Posted 3/28/2008 12:31 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I've never met one who's quick to listen, slow to speak, slow to become angry.


Before God, in grace, we will with all our power to be that which He shows us we are.

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Joe McCowan
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Corey said...
I've never met one who's quick to listen, slow to speak, slow to become angry.

Unfortunately, some open air preachers are combative in a worldly sense. I do know many godly men who exhibit Christian character in the face of hostility, keeping their cool and responding in a manner that reflects Jesus.  Unfortunatley, these guys don't get the same kind of press that the poor examples receive. It's kind of like how Benny Hinn is a household name (not for positive reasons) and relatively few people know who Greg Boyd is. 
 
The link below is an example of an open air preacher who presents himself and his message in a manner that is above reproach. There are  other examples on the site as well.
 
 
Grace and Peace, Joe
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   Posted 3/30/2008 2:18 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
[quote]Being new to the board I am curious as to everyone's thoughts on evangelism conducted in open air settings, by open air preachers.

I really like the open air preaching of John the Baptist, Jesus Christ, the Apostle Peter, Stephen, the Apostle Paul and others.


For the Audience of One
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www.LibraryofTheology.com

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Joe McCowan
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jessemorrell said...
I really like the open air preaching of John the Baptist, Jesus Christ, the Apostle Peter, Stephen, the Apostle Paul and others.
God help us to walk in their footsteps! 
 
Grace and Peace, Joe

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Those are five examples of men to whom crowds gathered. It will take some work to present these as examples of the shouting-at-passersby method. (Not that I'm necessarily opposed to that method in all cases.)


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Joe McCowan
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Sahid said...
Those are five examples of men to whom crowds gathered. It will take some work to present these as examples of the shouting-at-passersby method. (Not that I'm necessarily opposed to that method in all cases.)

What begins as preaching that appears to be a monolog shouting at bystanders can soon turn into a dialog with an attentive audience. There are times however that a monolog is in order, especially if the dialog is unproductive or is hindering message. In some cases an open rebuke is warranted, where no dialog is intended. Other times a monolog is in order in order to stimulate future dialog.
 
During a Christmas event in my hometown a local store put live underwear models in the window for the men to lust after. I stood outside the store with my sandwich board and preached against lust and adultery of the heart. There was some dialog, but for the most part it was just a small crowd listening while the crowd of men at the window was dispersing.  Other times I will stand up and give an explanation of the Christian faith.  I always spend time answering questions during and after the preaching.
 
Of course there are those who refuse any productive dialog and don't have any redemptive purpose in their preaching, but that is sometimes the case in both congregational and open air preaching. In both cases, such preaching is counterproductive at best.
 
Grace and Peace, Joe
 
 
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Here is a very good practical break down of open air preaching:

Acts 17:17 "Therefore disputed he in the synagogue with the Jews, and with the devout persons, and in the market daily, with them that met with him."

Just as Paul actively went to the synagogues and market places (he didn't wait for them to come to him, and he didn't want for an invitation), so we must go to the campuses and street corners.

And just as Paul disputed with those who challenged the Christian faith, no doubt answering their objections and questions and presenting the truths of Christianity, so we too can do this in the open air.

And I find that it is not hard at all to draw a crowd on campuses. These are places of education and learning, and they are full of sinners and unbelievers. So if we go there with the Gospel, we will find ourselves in the same disputing situations Paul did when He went to the synagogues and market places. Paul went to where people where, Paul went to where unbelievers where, and Paul publicly challenged their unbelief in the open air.


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Corey
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   Posted 4/3/2008 5:40 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
So just anyone could walk into a synogogue at that time and start preaching without an invitation? Don't you think he had this privilege because of his credentials as a pharisee and son of a pharisee, educated at the feet of Gamaliel? 
 
And his Mars Hill interaction I think bears little resemblance to most of today's open-air preachers. Some, or most, may be too quick to assume his mantle. No presentation of the law to the gentiles, contra Ray Comfort.

Whatever else you want to say, I don't see today's open-air preacher settling in to the community for years as Paul did on various occasions. Paul had relationship! Today's open-air preachers bear more resemblance to drive-by shootings than the missionary methods of Paul.

I'm concerned that many don't take this scripture seriously enough:

When there are many words, transgression is unavoidable,
         But he who restrains his lips is wise.
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But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; for the anger of man does not achieve the righteousness of God. Therefore, putting aside all filthiness and all that remains of wickedness, in humility receive the word implanted, which is able to save your souls. But prove yourselves doers of the word, and not merely hearers who delude themselves.

I don't know you personally, so my comments are primarily directed to myself. Humbly ask God if you may be more of a talker than a doer. Ask God what it means to be a doer; are you actually representing Christ as you preach? I was brought to profound tears a few years ago as I realized that so much of my missionary work was a clanging gong, worthless noise. Whatever else may be said, I did not rightly love. Today my constant prayer is this: "Father, by your grace, work in me and through me to bring love and beauty to You and to your world." I had to repent of my preaching.

Think about it.


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Corey:
"Father, by your grace, work in me and through me to bring love and beauty to You and to your world."

The lived perspective of a son of God. ;-)


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Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the Kingdom of God is within you.

 

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When I was a new convert I was terrified about sharing my faith so I used to cite scriptures like "Don't throw your pearls before swine" and "I believe in the Spirit led witness and I am not going to step out in the flesh and do more damage than good..."

 

Often the apostles provoked riots and persecution, people didn't like what they preached or where they did it. They weren't always invited into to speak. Their message was such that all of them were eventually martyred; I would guess they weren't preaching "unconditional love".

 

Over the years I have realized that Godly men will stand up and cry out against wickedness in the streets and from the roof-tops. Gay marriage is on the way; its here and in large because the church fell asleep at the wheel. I feel awful for the youth of today because they will be persecuted if they don't accept the gay lifestyle. Most of them will indeed grow up believing that homosexuals are "normal" regardless of what they hear in Sunday School. Even churches are caving to the world and becoming more accepting of homosex. I have begun to hear the weasels say "well gays have a right to go to church too; I mean they need to hear the gospel don't they?" and an inch at a time, soon openly gay men will be teaching Sunday school; all because it was illegal to discriminate against them, and churches can't stand for righteousness in good times, there is no way they will stand up for God when the consequences could me removal of tax exemption or jail...Soon many of your pastors will defile the youth in your churches by allowing gay couples to fellowship with you. Children learn from actions; they will see the gay couples sitting together and assume that it is OK to be gay.

 

The worst has happened in this country, good men are doing nothing. Evil is prevailing because Christians don't want to call sin "sin" anymore and are more concerned with selling books and building churches. I guess I don't blame them because they know in their hearts that they have lost their moral authority; they smoke drink and hang out at the clubs, you can't even tell the Christians of today apart from the world.

 

I street preach like Jesse. We seem to be the ONLY people standing up for God in today's society. I got so fed up with this country going to hell in a hand-basket and doing nothing, I got off my lazy a$$ and took the message of holiness to the streets; mostly to defend the honor of God whom I claim to serve. Most of my Christian friends disagree with what I am doing but I am more concerned with what God thinks than some lazy hypocrites.

 

Some of our strongest hecklers that we encounter are professing Christians who ardently fight us to defend the sin in their lives. AS a side bar, if you sin daily, you are under the dominian of sin and are not walking in the grace of God (see Romans 6).

 

Half of our time on the stump is spent explaining why nature and God testify against the homosexual lifestyle and from what I can see we are the ONLY voice on campus and often the ONLY voice in these students lives that will speak out against the abomination that is taking place before our very eyes. This young generation doesn't know the difference between right and wrong anymore. BTW the church doesn't seem to either, greasy grace, unconditional love, 1/2 the pastors are pron-freaks and the other 1/2 are divorced.

 

Most of the time I agree with the students in their criticisms of the church today and spend much time re-educating them on the nature of God, holiness and grace...I usually tell them to believe in Christ despite what they hear and see most Christians doing and teaching.

 

We are finally seeing the fruits of "waiting for the Spirit led witness" and not wanting to cast our pearls before swine. Not wanting to offend the world... The 1% of this country that is gay has conquered the 75 million strong Evangelicals in this country.

 

I am grateful for the honor to preach the most important message in all of mankind to a lost and dying generation.

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"But Lord, didn't I stand on street corners and condemn sinners? You KNOW the country would have gone to hell if it weren't for people like me! After all, I'M THE ONE who got up off his lazy a$$ and took the message of holiness to the streets. I'M THE ONE who defended the honor of God! At least I'm not one of THOSE lazy hypocrites. Thank you, God, I'm not a sinner like THEM."
 
Lord, have mercy on me, a sinner.

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Sure He did and the apostles too. What was the first sermon Jesus preached? "Repent and believe the gospel". Read the book of Acts; they were all killed because they preached "Repent and believe the gospel and do deeds of repentence"; in fact Jesus spoke 150 times on hell and condemnation and only 8 times on love and it was usually how man should love God. He and His apostles were all murdered because nobody liked their message. Woe to you when all men speak well of you. Many people in church work don't see any fruit from their mission because the are peaching "Smile God has a wonderful plan for your life" instead of the gospel of repentence which is the biblical way.
 
I am sorry that your missionary efforts brought you to tears. To defend the efforts of open air preaching is not boasting nor beating my chest like a Pharisee, we do indeed get thanked from many of the sinners for preaching and an ocassional Christian so we are confident that our message is not falling on deaf ears. Even the ones that disagree with us will tell us they appreciate our passion and taking to time to share with them what we believe is the truth. One woman recently said she is not a Christian but if she were; she would preach hard against sin just as we are doing. Even sinners know that we love them enough to warn them of the terror of the Lord.
 
Having re-read your post I see why I hit a nerve. Obviously my comments were not directed at anyone on this BB; I merely commented on the effectiveness and need for the public proclaimation of the gospel, the gospel as preached by Jesus and the apostles.
 
Sorry,
 
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We are all called to be witnesses, but we are not all called to preach, more or less preach open-air.  Over the years I have met plenty of folks I wished would stop preaching, at least until they studied to show themselves approved. Zeal misplaced is as dangerous as having no zeal at all, maybe more so.  I preach in congregational settings and on the streets.  In both settings, I am accountable to God, and try to conduct myself accordingly. I have no delusions of being an island, just a member of a Body.  We would all do well to keep this in mind in life and ministry.

 

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