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Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 9890 | Posted 3/28/2009 7:29 AM (GMT -6) |   | Jesus as a man has what he received as the only Son from the Father, BUT he RECEIVED all that from the Father. (Hopko)
The Names of Jesus
Jesus - Son of God (part 2)
Posted March 27, 2009
Jesus is the ONLY begotten Son and is ontologically related to God the Father unlike any other being.
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 3/28/2009 7:32 AM (GMT -6) |   | Oh, yeah. I meant to tell you, B. Thanks for posting that.
100% Amen.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."
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Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 9890 | Posted 3/28/2009 7:33 AM (GMT -6) |   | | | |
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 3/28/2009 7:33 AM (GMT -6) |   | Bruce: Jesus as a man has what he received from the Father, BUT he RECEIVED all that from the Father.
Which is why "kenosis" is NATURAL to humanity. Giving ALL to the person from whom we receive everything. (Sin is an UNNATURAL state of humanity. I really see that now.)
We RECEIVE by nature...and wish to GIVE by nature in that receiving. (Gratitude) To imagine that we don't ("I don't need nobody to help me. I can do things by ALL by myself!) is foolishness. We just DO receive. This is probably why we are prone to idolatry when we don't love God centrally. If we don't worship God, we just will worship something else, most likely our fallen egoic self-referential illusions about ourselves.
As Jesus received all from the Father, we are to receive ALL from the One Triune God through Jesus (who IS God the Son) and His Spirit.
Right?
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."
"God in Christ by His Spirit empowers, enables, energizes and enacts all Christian behavior and ministry as the dynamic expression of the life of Jesus Christ. Christianity is Christ. Christian living is the life and character of Jesus Christ lived out through the Christian." -James Fowler Post Edited (One Love) : 3/28/2009 8:03:53 AM (GMT-5) | | Back to Top | | |
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 3/28/2009 7:37 AM (GMT -6) |   | Christ is the Only Begotten Son...who defines how ALL of humanity can live.
Christ is the Perfect Image...of whom WE "image" through being HUMBLE and "TRANSPARENT" to Him as he was to the Father. (See The Emptiness of Christ )
"Be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect."
Only possible in the Spirit of Christ.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."
"God in Christ by His Spirit empowers, enables, energizes and enacts all Christian behavior and ministry as the dynamic expression of the life of Jesus Christ. Christianity is Christ. Christian living is the life and character of Jesus Christ lived out through the Christian." -James Fowler Post Edited (One Love) : 3/28/2009 8:24:21 AM (GMT-5) | | Back to Top | | |
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 3/28/2009 7:43 AM (GMT -6) |   | Oh, and before anyone trys to think lightly of the concepts of noosphere or akashic records...
Think about the relationships and interactions we've all had via the internet ALLLLLLLLLLL these years (starting in 1999!) I would have never even met Greg before if it weren't for the Internet and his deciding to have a website on it. Period.
Think about now. Tom is in Iraq. I'm in Minnesota. Brandon's in Canada, etc. And look at how we non-locally communicate...multiple times EVERYDAY. And it all stays here. ALL of it. We can look back over a span of almost 10 years at what we've all said, with a few clicks of buttons. Look at what's happened all these years of this everyday communication through our internet connection. I REMEMBER when there was no internet. I remember when this just plain wasn't possible before. The internet is a GREAT analogy for what we are kinda talking about , I think.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."
"God in Christ by His Spirit empowers, enables, energizes and enacts all Christian behavior and ministry as the dynamic expression of the life of Jesus Christ. Christianity is Christ. Christian living is the life and character of Jesus Christ lived out through the Christian." -James Fowler Post Edited (One Love) : 3/28/2009 8:02:42 AM (GMT-5) | | Back to Top | | |
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 3/28/2009 7:50 AM (GMT -6) |   | "Adam Kadmon" = God the Son as The Universal "Tzaddik"?
Hey, just being the Scissortail I am...
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."
"God in Christ by His Spirit empowers, enables, energizes and enacts all Christian behavior and ministry as the dynamic expression of the life of Jesus Christ. Christianity is Christ. Christian living is the life and character of Jesus Christ lived out through the Christian." -James Fowler Post Edited (One Love) : 3/28/2009 7:58:03 AM (GMT-5) | | Back to Top | | |
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 3/28/2009 8:02 AM (GMT -6) |   | Whole Thread
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."
"God in Christ by His Spirit empowers, enables, energizes and enacts all Christian behavior and ministry as the dynamic expression of the life of Jesus Christ. Christianity is Christ. Christian living is the life and character of Jesus Christ lived out through the Christian." -James Fowler | | Back to Top | | |
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 3/28/2009 8:07 AM (GMT -6) |   | | Now isn't Jesus really EVERYTHING to us?
Think about it.
Christ is EVERYTHING.
Period.
My purpose and my destiny...oh Lord, you truly are everything to me...
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."
"God in Christ by His Spirit empowers, enables, energizes and enacts all Christian behavior and ministry as the dynamic expression of the life of Jesus Christ. Christianity is Christ. Christian living is the life and character of Jesus Christ lived out through the Christian." -James Fowler | | Back to Top | | |
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 3/28/2009 8:09 AM (GMT -6) |   |
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."
"God in Christ by His Spirit empowers, enables, energizes and enacts all Christian behavior and ministry as the dynamic expression of the life of Jesus Christ. Christianity is Christ. Christian living is the life and character of Jesus Christ lived out through the Christian." -James Fowler Post Edited (One Love) : 3/28/2009 8:17:01 AM (GMT-5) | | Back to Top | | |
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 3/28/2009 8:25 AM (GMT -6) |   | | Ha! Am I officially crazy now or what?
Oh darlin... In a sky full of people, only some want to fly, Isn't that crazy? In a world full of people, only some want to fly, Isn't that crazy? Crazy... In a heaven of people there's only some want to fly, Ain't that crazy? Oh babe... Oh darlin... In a world full of people there's only some want to fly, Isn't that crazy? Isn't that crazy... Isn't that crazy... Isn't that crazy...
Ohh... But we're never gonna survive unless, we get a little crazy.. crazy.. No we're never gonna to survive unless we are a little... crazy.. But we're never gonna survive unless, we get a little crazy.. crazy.. No we're never gonna to survive unless, we are a little.. crazy.. No no, never survive unless, we get a little bit...
Love, love, love...
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."
"God in Christ by His Spirit empowers, enables, energizes and enacts all Christian behavior and ministry as the dynamic expression of the life of Jesus Christ. Christianity is Christ. Christian living is the life and character of Jesus Christ lived out through the Christian." -James Fowler Post Edited (One Love) : 3/28/2009 8:29:24 AM (GMT-5) | | Back to Top | | |
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 3/28/2009 8:36 AM (GMT -6) |   | Daat or Daas ("Knowledge", Hebrew: דעת 'daʕaθ) in Jewish mysticism, called Kabbalah, is the location (the mystical state) where all ten sephirot in the Tree of Life are united as one.
In Daat, all sefirot exist in their perfected state of infinite sharing. The three sephirot of the left column that would receive and conceal the Divine Light, instead share and reveal it. Since all sephirot radiate infinite self-giving Divine Light, it is no longer possible to distinguish one sefira from another. Thus they are one.
Properly, the Divine Light is always shining, but not all humans can see it. The concealment or revelation of the Divine Light shining through Daat does not actually happen in Daat itself. It only seems that way from the human perspective within Malkuth. The perception of change can only occur in Malkuth. Humans who become self-giving like the Light become able to see it, and for them the benefits of Daat's Light seem "revealed". However, humans who remain selfish cannot see it, and for them its benefits seem "hidden".
From another page...
Now we can understand better why the term daat is used to describe a person whose knowledge of God is at the highest, bonding him firmly to the Divine. The term connotes a relationship with the Almighty that is as real as a piece of matter that can be actually held in hand. This is why daat is used to describe a prophet's connection to the Divine. A prophet is referred to "haskel vayodea Oti" -- as one who "perceives and knows Me."
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Only those who become self-giving as God is self-giving can come to see the Uncreated Light that is always around us.
Knowledge of God IS Eternal Life.
Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.
"At the center of our being is a point of nothingness which is untouched by sin and by illusion, a point of pure truth, a point or spark which belongs entirely to God, which is never at our disposal, from which God disposes of our lives, which is inaccessible to the fantasies of our own mind or the brutalities of our own will. This little point of nothingness and of absolute poverty is the pure glory of God in us. It its so to speak his name written on us, as our poverty, as our indigence, and our dependence, as our sonship. It is like a pure diamond , blazing with the invisible light of heaven. It is in everybody, and if we could see it we would see these billions or points of light coming together in the face and blaze of a sun that would make all the darkness and cruelty of life vanish completely…The gate of heaven is everywhere." Thomas Merton
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."
"God in Christ by His Spirit empowers, enables, energizes and enacts all Christian behavior and ministry as the dynamic expression of the life of Jesus Christ. Christianity is Christ. Christian living is the life and character of Jesus Christ lived out through the Christian." -James Fowler Post Edited (One Love) : 3/28/2009 8:58:00 AM (GMT-5) | | Back to Top | | |
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Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 9890 | Posted 3/28/2009 12:11 PM (GMT -6) |   |
One Love said... We RECEIVE by nature...
Let me try...
We receive grace naturally. (o) | | Back to Top | | |
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Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 9890 | Posted 3/28/2009 12:30 PM (GMT -6) |   |
Glory to God
Personhood And Love
Posted March 28, 2009
Fr. Stephen looks at the teaching of the Elder Sophrony and St. Silouan and what it is they mean by "person." Our existence is rooted in love.
or read......................
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 3/28/2009 3:17 PM (GMT -6) |   | Thanks, B. Good stuff, man.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."
"God in Christ by His Spirit empowers, enables, energizes and enacts all Christian behavior and ministry as the dynamic expression of the life of Jesus Christ. Christianity is Christ. Christian living is the life and character of Jesus Christ lived out through the Christian." -James Fowler | | Back to Top | | |
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 3/28/2009 5:41 PM (GMT -6) |   | | "The fourth dimension, turiya, is the ground of our existence and the goal of all transcendentalists. For the Vedanta philosophers it is perceived variously, either as undifferentiated consciousness or a relationship with the divine. Regarding the latter, Gaudiya Vedanta concludes that love is greater than ourselves, and it is the greatest aspect of God, one that he himself is motivated by. For them, the nondual consciousness of Vedanta philosophy is realized when we know that we do not belong to ourselves, what to speak of anything belonging to us. If there is any time at which we can accurately say that something belongs to us, it is when, having given ourselves in love to God, we can say that 'he is ours'."
"This is the Krsna conception of Godhead, one in which God appears not as God, nor finite souls as finite souls. Both interrelate intimately as Lover and Beloved, Krsna and his gopis, beyond any sense of each others' ontological reality, yet beyond the material illusion as well. This dimension of love of Godhead is thus justifiably termed by the Gaudiya Vaisnavas as the fifth dimension, turiya-titah, the dimension of the soul's Soul."
I think about the spiritual love-union between the Eternal Son of God and His Sabbath Bride/Church when I think about this.
Whoever is one with the Lord is one with him in (S)pirit.
God is Love.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."
"God in Christ by His Spirit empowers, enables, energizes and enacts all Christian behavior and ministry as the dynamic expression of the life of Jesus Christ. Christianity is Christ. Christian living is the life and character of Jesus Christ lived out through the Christian." -James Fowler Post Edited (One Love) : 3/28/2009 5:46:07 PM (GMT-5) | | Back to Top | | |
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Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 9890 | Posted 3/30/2009 10:43 AM (GMT -6) |   | | http://fatherstephen.wordpress.com/2009/03/29/the-incarnation-cause-of-all-things-made-and-caused-by-none-2/
The Incarnation: Cause of All Things Made, and Caused by None
By fatherstephen
The title of this post is a chapter heading in George Gabriel’s Mary the Untrodden Portal of God. Gabriel occasionally strikes hard at the West and the book would perhaps be strengthened with a less combative approach to the differences of East and West in the faith (my own opinion), but I liked the book and found Gabriel addressing many things, well foot-noted, that are not found in many other places. I share an excerpt. Post reprinted from 2007.
From eternity, God provided for a communion with His creation that would remain forever. In that communion mankind would attain to the eternal theosis for which it was made. The communion, of course, is the Incarnation through the Ever-Virgin. Mankind’s existence and, therefore, that of all creation is inexorably tied to Mary because she was always to be the Mother of the Incarnate Word. The fathers say that neither the course of human events nor necessity of any kind forced the Uncreated One to join to Himself a creaturely mode of existence. God did not become flesh because some actions of the devil or of man made it necessary, but because it was the divine plan and mystery from before the ages. Despite the works of Satan and the coming of sin into the world, the eternal will of God was undeterred, and it moved forward.
History and the course of human events were the occasion and not the cause of the Incarnation. The Incarnation did not take place for the Crucifixion; the Crucifixion took place so the Incarnation and the eternal communion of God and man could be fulfilled despite Satan, sin, and death. Explaining that there was no necessity in God the Father that required the death of His Son, St. Gregory the Theologian says of the Father “neither asked for Him nor demanded Him, but accepts [His death] on account of the economy [of the Incarnation] and because mankind must be sanctified by the humanity of God.” St. Gregory is telling us that, from before the ages, it was the divine will for mankind to be sanctified and made immortal by communion with the humanity of the Incarnate God, but corruptibility and death came and stood in the way. By His Passion and Resurrection, Jesus Christ destroyed these obstacles and saved, that is, preserved, mankind for the Incarnation’s eternal communion of the God-Man and immortal men. St. John of Damascus repeats the same idea that the Incarnation is a prior and indeed ontological purpose in itself, and that redemption is the means to that end. Thus, he says the Holy Virgin “came to serve in the salvation of the world so that the ancient will of God for the Incarnation of the Word and our own theosis may be fulfilled through her.”
It seems worthwhile to me, for us to meditate on the fullness of our salvation which is to be accomplished in God’s great Pascha. Indeed, it seems to me that everything always was about Pascha - the “Lamb was slain before the foundation of the earth” (Rev. 12:8) We are approaching the end of all things - and, I should add, their beginning as well.
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 3/30/2009 11:31 PM (GMT -6) |   | Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. For he (The Father) chose us in him (Jesus of Nazereth) before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will— to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace that he lavished on us. With all wisdom and understanding, he made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, to be put into effect when the times reach their fulfillment—to bring unity to all things in heaven and on earth under Christ.
In him (Christ) we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, in order that we, who were the first to put our hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory. And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession—to the praise of his glory.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."
"God in Christ by His Spirit empowers, enables, energizes and enacts all Christian behavior and ministry as the dynamic expression of the life of Jesus Christ. Christianity is Christ. Christian living is the life and character of Jesus Christ lived out through the Christian." -James Fowler Post Edited (One Love) : 3/30/2009 11:36:31 PM (GMT-5) | | Back to Top | | |
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| Posted By : One Love - 3/26/2009 4:03 PM |
Tom: Is there something new here D that you've not seen before? What's the new insight?
More of a thought...
Is "Adam Kadmon" the singular field of created consciousness from whence all other self-consciousnesses emerge, via the ego functionality of individual mind/brain relational unities in humans?
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."
"God in Christ by His Spirit empowers, enables, energizes and enacts all Christian behavior and ministry as the dynamic expression of the life of Jesus Christ. Christianity is Christ. Christian living is the life and character of Jesus Christ lived out through the Christian." -James Fowler
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