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Swiftthinker
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   Posted 6/30/2012 5:43 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Hello all,

I would like to know if anybody has any experience with teaching Open Theism  and discipleship within the local church. Two questions;

1.       Where do you start?

2.       What teaching material do you use?

Thank you for all your help,

Swiftthinker

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Similitude
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   Posted 6/30/2012 8:14 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

I've done just a bit of defense in a small group. It took me a while to articulate in a way that the one dissenter could understand. It was a way that would have made no sense to me as compared to the other routes I was attempting. You'll find, I think, that this will be the case. The simple route will not avail as you would think. There are fears involved in denying of God what people have come to believe are praise-worthy attributes. Those fears can involve wanting a defense that they think will work for them against their other acquaintances who will be sure to give them a hard time. It's fascinating seeing how fear is so powerful at trumping simple reason.

I think Greg's response to Bill Craig in "Four? Views on Divine Providence" is quite good, BTW. But I think it's easier to just point out that if libertarian freedom implies that we could have acted differently than we have acted in certain instances, it is not logically possible that God could have known we wouldn't have acted in such a "different" way. That creates a bona-fide logical contradiction. So if we are to believe that God can not know logical contradictions are true in certain instances, we're done.


 

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Swiftthinker
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   Posted 7/1/2012 6:35 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thank you. I was also thinking of making up an outline of Greg Boyd's book "The God of the Possible" and teaching this in a home group. Any and all ideas are valuble.

Swiftthinker
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Similitude
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   Posted 7/1/2012 8:23 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Yeah, the biblical case is easy to make as well. There are many verses that seem just wierd if absolute, eternal divine foreknowledge of future events is the true view. And the other verses are equivocal--i.e., they make as good a sense in terms of an open theism view as the other.


 

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