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Originally posted by albert

Hey John, if I already know the answer is "no", should I still attend the conference?

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Originally posted by John Earp


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> 2004 EEM, INC CONFERENCE
> September 17,18,19, 2004

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> FARMSTEAD INN
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> SHIPSHEWANNA, IN
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> ON HWY 5 NORTH OF HWY 20
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> EAST OF SOUTH BEND, IN
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> 260-768-4595 www.tradingplaceamerica.com

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Originally posted by Selah

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Originally posted by John Earp


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> 2004 EEM, INC CONFERENCE
> September 17,18,19, 2004

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> FARMSTEAD INN
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> SHIPSHEWANNA, IN
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> ON HWY 5 NORTH OF HWY 20
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> EAST OF SOUTH BEND, IN
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> 260-768-4595 www.tradingplaceamerica.com

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Thanks for the info. John.

BTW does everyone know this is going to be held in a Barn? we should stay for the auction and do some antique shopping!

Actually, Jo-Anne it's 43 miles from Notre Dame University and my daughter wants to plan an overnight stay on campus. The only time she can do that is after September 1. If it works out(and I bet it will) I'll go! Let me know what you decide.

Blessings
and love,
selah

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[quote]Originally posted by Selah

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Selah,
I would love to go. If I'm going to go, I need to plan soon, because flights out of here need to be booked months in advance to get reasonable rates - and I would love to share accomodations with someone or a couple of people.

I love that book. I have recommended it to several people in leadership. The conference would be exciting.

I will talk it over with my husband and get back to you on it. I don't know that he would be excited about me going, but he might surprise me. I've never had the opportunity to do anything like this before.

It would be a bit of a dream for me, but dreams are possible with God.

God Bless,
Jo-Anne

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Children of the heav’nly Father
Safely in His bosom gather;
Nestling bird nor star in heaven
Such a refuge e’er was given.

God His own doth tend and nourish;
In His holy courts they flourish;
From all evil things He spares them;
In His mighty arms He bears them.

Neither life nor death shall ever
From the Lord His children sever;
Unto them His grace He showeth,
And their sorrows all He knoweth.

Though He giveth or He taketh,
God His children ne’er forsaketh;
His the loving purpose solely
To preserve them pure and holy.

Lo, their very hairs He numbers,
And no daily care encumbers
Them that share His ev’ry blessing
And His help in woes distressing.

Praise the Lord in joyful numbers:
Your Protector never slumbers.
At the will of your Defender
Ev’ry foeman must surrender.

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Originally posted by moon_river_j

John,

Where in the world is Shipshewanna? My travel agent couldn't even find it in the Atlas! Where is the closest airport? Can you tell me anything about accomodations?

God Bless,
Jo-Anne

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Originally posted by moon_river_j

John,

Where in the world is Shipshewanna? My travel agent couldn't even find it in the Atlas! Where is the closest airport? Can you tell me anything about accomodations?

God Bless,
Jo-Anne

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Jo-Anne,

Shipshewana is close to South Bend, Indiana and not too far from Indianapolis, Indiana. Your best bet for a major airport might be Chicago.

Shipshewana is a commercialized Amish community, but I'm pretty sure it's on the map, in north central Indiana. I was able to find it on Yahoo maps. (Make sure you spell it right--Shipshewana).

Here's the website for the Farmstead Inn & Conference Center, where the EEM Conference is to be held:

http://www.tradingplaceamerica.com

(You should be able to find the Farmstead Inn on the above link).

> Lodging
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> A limited number of rooms are available at Farmstead
> Inn through EEM, Inc. A double occupancy room for 2
> nights including a continental breakfast is $170.00.
> $10 will be added for each additional person in each
> room Reservations for the rooms must be made through
> EEM by September 1, 2004
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If you can get there, you can ride with me :)

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John, from what I am reading there are two different conferences on two different weekends -- is that correct?

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I wonder who plans to attend from this board?

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Originally posted by John Earp

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John, from what I am reading there are two different conferences on two different weekends -- is that correct?

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QFT, there is only one conference on one weekend:


> 2004 EEM, INC CONFERENCE
> September 17,18,19, 2004
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> Shipshewanna, IN

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I wonder who plans to attend from this board?

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I do I do I do! Hoping to be able to bring my wife and daughter along this year, too.

Jo-Anne: Chicago is about 2-1/2 hours from Shipshewana. South Bend is much closer. If you fly into Detroit Metro (DTW), my wife and I would be happy to pick you up at the airport and give you a ride to the conference. We live about 30 minutes from DTW airport, and Shipshewana is about a 2-1/2 hour drive for us.

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Children of the heav’nly Father
Safely in His bosom gather;

Greg: If the Aushwitz kids were "safe," what would "unsafe" look like? Or were they now "children ofthe heav'nly father? (not a few have come to this dreadful conclusion, with tragic consequence to Christian parents who have kids kidnapped).


God His own doth tend and nourish;
In His holy courts they flourish;
From all evil things He spares them;
In His mighty arms He bears them.

Greg: So the hungry kids were... what? ... tended and nourished? And about "from all evil things he spares them..." This obviously doesn't include gas chambers and slow tortorous deaths... so what DOES it exclude? Is this just pious hyperbole (I can totally accept that). Or is it saying something else?


Though He giveth or He taketh,
God His children ne’er forsaketh;

Greg: What is the content of the "giveth" and "taketh"? Is it everything? "The Lord gives and the Lord takes"... a la Job? Is EVERY disaster the Lord "taking"? If not, how do we know what he giveth and/or taketh? Left undefined, these sorts of phrases can torment people.

LPraise the Lord in joyful numbers:
Your Protector never slumbers.
At the will of your Defender
Ev’ry foeman must surrender.

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Greg: And when the baby dies...? I just don't get it. Sorry. Don't be offended. I'm just saying out loud what a lot of people wonder.

And this, I think, is precisely why conferences like the one John and I are doing are necessary.

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Greg: Preaching to the choir on THAT one. (Check out Repenting of Religion).

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Originally posted by quest for truth

Greg Boyd

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Greg: And when the baby dies...? I just don't get it. Sorry. Don't be offended. I'm just saying out loud what a lot of people wonder.

And this, I think, is precisely why conferences like the one John and I are doing are necessary.

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Not to mention that this type of belief system is what leads some people to abandon their faith. I have met MANY people who had this type of faith and when tragedy hit decided that it didn't make sense hence conclude there is no God. Which leads me to a question: How does God judge these people who leave the faith because they couldn't make sense of it all? To me there seems to be a lot of gray in our world hence we really cannot judge other people. This is why I too believe your message, Greg, is SO important and conferences like the one you are leading with John are NECESSARY.

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Originally posted by John Earp

The conference has not been organized by Dr. Boyd or Dr. Sanders. It was organized by the sponsoring organization, Evangelical Education Ministries (EEM). The name for this yearly conference is the EEM Fall Conference, and the theme of this year's conference derives from Dr. Boyd's recent book, Is God To Blame?

The conference is open to all, and is not necessarily geared to trying to win converts to the Open View as much as it is to be an informative and enlightening series of lectures on Open Theism and Theodicy for those who are interested.

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Originally posted by quest for truth

Jim_Mottl, it has been my experience that it is not the fruit or lack of it in life that has caused some to abandon their faith but more it has been that people are taught that GOD caused/allowed the calamity. In your example, with the blueprint theology, they would have been taught that GOD caused or allowed the Nazi's to kill the Jews for the "greater good". This type of teaching in the midst of personal storm has been what has brought about doubt in a God for some people.

Perhaps those who have walked away from their faith will not read Dr. Boyd's book nor attend this type of conference but perhaps they will. Perhaps someone who is still believing but has an off theology will know the truth before a storm hits.

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So someone abandoning the faith because of trials? My point is that although I think it's fine to talk about someones theology on what God does and does not ordain, it should not be the focal point. The focal point should be learning how to submit to the Gospel unto eternal life that way nobody will blame God. Off theology? Do you remember the part in the Bible where God says that it pleased Him to bruise His Son? Did God allow the evil act of murder on His Son?

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The reason that things are the way they are is because of sin. Romans says the whole Earth is groaning with anticipation of rebirth. People are evil because of their sin.

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