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PotOnWheel
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   Posted 6/11/2002 9:08 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
DO YOU SEE THE... symbol made up with the Greek letters 'Chi'? and 'Ro'"


DO YOU SEE THE... Greek letters 'alpha' and 'omega'?


WHY IS THERE A FISH?


CAN ANYONE TELL US why the letters 'IC XC' and 'NI KA' are used?


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   Posted 6/11/2002 9:09 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Here is a nice Anglican Church site to get you started!!!

www.merseyworld.com/stjohns/windows/symbols.html#crosscirc
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   Posted 6/11/2002 9:13 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Covenant Presbyterian Church, Palo Alto, CA says:

    The Greek letters ICXC/NIKA mean "Jesus Christ
    conquers."


So old Tom ofer in Lebanon aught not to say that this is just an Orthodox thing!!!!


HEY, TOM. WE EXPECT YOU TO POST LINKS OR IMAGES FROM LEBANON OR SYRIA!!! (or Constantinople) HELP US OUT GOOD BUDDY!
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   Posted 6/12/2002 3:14 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.


"...you must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your mind, and all your strength.’ The second is equally important: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ No other commandment is greater than these.”
Mark 12:30-31 (NLT)
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   Posted 6/12/2002 3:14 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Don't know how I posted twice. The computer waited, and then, there it was. I guess I need to find a second symbol for this one.

Here's a link, instead.

http://www.villamariaretreats.org/Icons.htm

YBIC,
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"...you must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your mind, and all your strength.’ The second is equally important: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ No other commandment is greater than these.”
Mark 12:30-31 (NLT)


Edited by - Winghead on 06/12/2002 8:16:07 PM

Edited by - Winghead on 06/12/2002 8:17:18 PM
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PotOnWheel
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   Posted 6/17/2002 12:53 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
OK!

Top to bottom...

At your CHURCH,

what symbols are evident!

(Including the soundbooth!)


- PoW -
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   Posted 6/17/2002 1:22 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Gee, PoW, I don't know. I think we have a cross someplace... The symbol that comes to mind most quickly are changed lives. Does partially torn down walls count? How about a partially finished parking lot?

Truth is, WHC is not big on symbology. The cross is most common. One of the pastors has a crucifix in their office, I believe.

I don't really count the sound booth, stage, or auditorium.

YBIC,
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"...you must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your mind, and all your strength.’ The second is equally important: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ No other commandment is greater than these.”
Mark 12:30-31 (NLT)
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   Posted 6/17/2002 2:27 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
ODE TO WINGHEAD:

    The symbol that comes to mind most quickly are changed lives.


    partially torn down walls

    THIS...reminds me somehow of the "Bridge" thing. I've been reading in history of relgion text that a BRIDGE is two (2) things: a means of excape to salvation, AND a narrow, dangerous place fromwhich one needs deliverance and guidance to get through ("and narrow is the way...") The semi-premiable nature of parital walls (HONEST NOW; ARE YOU GUYS BUILDING AN ICONOSTASIS? ) is a pretty good analogy to a bridge. **asks hopefully** Do they present any appreciable DANGER?
    partially finished parking lot

    THAT MIGHT REQUIRE A LITTLE "UNPACKING", BUT IT SEEMS PROMISING. ANYBODY CREATIVE?
    The parking lot image might be interesting.

    The "partially" might speak of three things, at least: still to come; unimportant (where you discard your cars; and a place of no regard.

    crucifix in their office

    (READ: Lamp under a bussel? **just kiding** )

    The cross is most common.

    SOME REFORMED FRIENDS SAY THAT THEIR CHURCHES THIG A CROSS IS TOO "CATHOLIC."

    stage

    RESEARCH CHARLES FINNEY. HE WAS THE ONE WHO RENTED THE DANCE HALLS AS A PREACHING PLATFORM.


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   Posted 6/17/2002 5:44 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
PoW,

quote:
THIS...reminds me somehow of the "Bridge" thing. I've been reading in history of relgion text that a BRIDGE is two (2) things: a means of excape to salvation, AND a narrow, dangerous place fromwhich one needs deliverance and guidance to get through ("and narrow is the way...") The semi-premiable nature of parital walls (HONEST NOW; ARE YOU GUYS BUILDING AN ICONOSTASIS? ) is a pretty good analogy to a bridge. **asks hopefully** Do they present any appreciable DANGER?


A theme of the church is "tearing down walls", so they have walls at the entry way of the church that have the appearance (i.e., symbolic) of being partially torn down.

BTW, you are aware, aren't you, that WHC is considering changing the name of the church to on with a "bridge" theme?


- Winghead

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   Posted 6/17/2002 6:03 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Nice verse, Winghead.

Now a Serious question...

Christ died, was buried and rose for us and for all of the Creation: "far as the curse is found." (from "Joy to the World")

How do you symbolize THAT at your Church?


Interested.



Here is a venue that is para-church, and has some symbolism. What is your take on the colors used?



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PoW,

You came close to this in this thread, so I thought I would share something I have been reading in John of the Cross.

He called the crowd with his disciples, and said to them, If any want to become my followers, let them deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. For those who want to save their life will lose it, and those who lose their life for my sake, and for the sake of the gospel, will save it. Mark 8:34-35 (NRSVA)

John of the Cross writes:
quote:
And, as a result, not only has the soul made its renunciation as regards both sense and spirit, but it is not hindered, even by that which is spiritual, in taking the narrow way, on which there is room only for self-denial (as the Saviour explains), and the Cross, which is the staff wherewith one may reach one's goal, and whereby the road is greatly lightened and made easy.

(Ascent of Mount Carmel, II.VII.7)



the Cross, which is the staff wherewith one may reach one's goal...


YBIC,
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"...you must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your mind, and all your strength.’ The second is equally important: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ No other commandment is greater than these.”
Mark 12:30-31 (NLT)
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   Posted 6/17/2002 6:12 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I had some wierd browser behavior when posting the last couple messages. I am not sure they went up correct the first time. They are now right.

Got to call it a night. I will rejoin tomorrow.

- Winghead

"...you must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your mind, and all your strength.’ The second is equally important: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ No other commandment is greater than these.”
Mark 12:30-31 (NLT)
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   Posted 6/17/2002 6:20 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Amen, Winghead!


(from the Liturgy of St. Basil)

    He gave Himself a ransom to Death, whereby we were held, sold under sin. And having descended into hell through the Cross, that He might fill all things with Himself, He loosed the pains of death, and rose again from the dead on the third day, making a way for all flesh unto the resurrection from the dead - for it was not possible that the Author of life should be holden of corruption - that He might be the first-fruits of those who have fallen asleep, the first-born from the dead, that He might be all, being first in all. And, ascending into heaven, He sat down at the right hand of thy majesty on high, and He shall return to render unto everyone according to his works. And He hath left with us as remembrances of His saving Passion these Things which we have set forth according to His commandment. For when He was about to go forth to His voluntary, and celebrated, and life-creating death, in the night in which He gave Himself up for the life of the world, He took bread in His holy and immaculate hands, and when He had shown it unto thee, the God and Father, and given thanks, and blessed it, and hallowed it, and broken it. He gave it to His holy disciples and apostles, saying, Take, eat, this is my Body, which is broken for you for the forgiveness of sins.

    Likewise, having also taken the cup of the fruit of the vine, and mingled it, and given thanks, and blessed and hallowed it, He gave it to His holy disciples and apostles, saying, Drink ye all of this; this is my Blood of the New Testament, which is shed for you and for many, for the forgiveness of sins.

    Do this in remembrance of me, for as often as ye shall eat this Bread and drink of this Cup, ye do proclaim my death and confess my resurrection.

    Wherefore, 0 Master, we also remembering His saving Passion and life-creating Cross, His three-day burial, and resurrection from the dead, His ascension into heaven, and sitting down at thy right hand, God and Father, and His glorious and fearful second coming,

    Thine own of thine own we offer unto thee on behalf of all and for all.

    We hymn thee, we bless thee, we give thanks unto thee, O Lord, and we pray unto thee, 0 our God.


    Having beheld the Resurrection of Christ, let us bow down before the holy Lord Jesus, the only sinless One. Thy Cross do we worship, O Christ, and thy holy Resurrection we hymn and glorify, for thou art our God; we know no other than thee; thy name do we name. Come, all ye faithful, let us worship Christ's holy Resurrection, for, behold, through the Cross joy hath come into all the world. Ever blessing the Lord, let us hymn His Resurrection. By enduring the Cross for us, by death hath He abolished death.

    Shine, shine, 0 New Jerusalem, for the glory of the Lord hath risen upon thee. Dance and rejoice, 0 Zion, and, thou, 0 pure Theotokos, exult in the rising of Him thou didst bear.

    O great and holiest Pascha, Christ, Wisdom and Word of God and Power, grant us truly to partake of thee in the day without evening of thy kingdom.





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   Posted 6/18/2002 10:39 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Some times Symbols come in PAIRS!

THIS IMAGE BELOW IS PART OF A BORDER NEXT TO A LAMENTATION PICTURE OF THE DEAD CHRIST -- WHO IS GOING INTO THE TOMB FOR THREE DAYS JUST LIKE JONAH.








THEY SIT AS A TEAM IN THIS ROOM:



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   Posted 6/20/2002 5:56 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
This Icon is late Byzantine from the early 15th century. The original is at St. Katherine's Monastery in Sinai. It is called the Epitaphios or burial cloth. During the Lamentation Matins which takes place late on Friday evening of Great Week, this icon embroidered on a cloth is held over the heads of the congregation as they process back into the Church. It touches the head of each believer, thus reminding each of us of our Baptism when we were buried with Christ.



    Holy Saturday of St. Joseph of Arimathea (July 31st)

    Troparion-
    "The Noble Joseph when he had taken down
    Thy Most Pure Body from the tree
    wrapped it in fine linen and anointed it with spices
    and placed it in a new tomb.
    But on the third day Thou didst rise, O Lord,
    granting the world great mercy."
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   Posted 6/20/2002 6:12 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
This picture is of the house of Ananias -- where PAUL was healed of his blindness.

(Ever been there, Tom?)

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