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God created man for intimate relationship.

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What did God create woman for?

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God and man relate interactively as personalities in real time.

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The reference to 'real time' is so dependent on a understanding of the language that exists today that it runs the risk of creating the same kind of difficulties we have understanding bible references. 'Real Time' as opposed to what? Unreal time?

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As opposed to dedicated systems or embedded systems or fault-tolerant systems (arcane CSci humour)

real time:
1. The actual time (see below) during which a physical process occurs.
2. Pertaining to the performance of a computation during the actual time that the related physical process occurs, in order that results of the computation can be used in guiding the physical process.

time:
1. An epoch, i.e., the designation of an instant on a selected time scale, astronomical or atomic. It is used in the sense of time of day
2. On a time scale, the interval between two events, or the duration of an event.
3. An apparently irreversible continuum of ordered events.
4. That which characterizes, or is characterized by, the observed and apparently irreversible continuum of ordered events.



Edited by - Laika on 07/02/2003 07:04:53 AM

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I think even Fred/PoW/Al would agree with just about all of the following statements).

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"Pre-eternal" is a good liturgical word. Shows uncomparability in my ear for it.

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Is eternal plus a day longer than eternal?

3. An apparently irreversible continuum of ordered events.

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Laika's post, quoting a definition:

3. An apparently irreversible continuum of ordered events.

C. S. Lewis' The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe: "Death worked backwards."

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Well PoW, if you ever build a workable bridge or software with poetry, let me know.

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Of course the literary explaination that "death worked backwards" is in itself the "exception that prooves the rule." Right Laika. so the truth of the statement that "Time is 'an apparently irreversible continuum of ordered events'" is save WITHIN THE SITUATION OF THE COSMOS for now. But not for always.

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Very confusing. "death worked backwards" is meaningless. What's your point? That some day, time will go backwards? events will happen before their cause?

1. remove cake from oven
2. pre-heat oven to 450
3. mix ingredients thoroughly in bowl
4. add eggs
5. put cake in oven and set timer for 25 minutes
6. add cake mix to bowl
7. drink enough beers to understand what PoW is talking about
8. repeat 7. as necessary

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real time:
1. The actual time (see below) during which a physical process occurs.
2. Pertaining to the performance of a computation during the actual time that the related physical process occurs, in order that results of the computation can be used in guiding the physical process.

time:
1. An epoch, i.e., the designation of an instant on a selected time scale, astronomical or atomic. It is used in the sense of time of day
2. On a time scale, the interval between two events, or the duration of an event.
3. An apparently irreversible continuum of ordered events.
4. That which characterizes, or is characterized by, the observed and apparently irreversible continuum of ordered events.

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Laika: Very confusing. "death worked backwards" is meaningless. What's your point?

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This is all in reference to something that C.S. Lewis wrote in The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe about Aslan's innocent death making "death work backwards." If you didn't read it, then KINDLY don't claim that Lewis' expression is "meaningless." If you didm't read it, saying so is rude. If you did read it, and didn't understand it, then saying so is also rude--since you should instead ask for it to be explained. But if you mis-understood it when you read his book; then that is stupid.

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C. S. Lewis' The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe: "Death worked backwards."

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Lewis writes a mean allegory. Not "meaningless." (If you don't like allegories, then that would be someone elses problem than mine.)

BTW - I don't like the atonement theory that Lewis was working out of. But as allegory the literary image of something "working backwards" (a good image for kids to grasp) serves quite well for the idea that death's work is undone.

True: "Risen from the dead" as in the case of Lazarus is NOT LITERALLY a case of something "working backwards. But get over it! Its literary, not literal. But it is entirely NOT MEANINGLESS.


Here's why the illustration Lewis used is called for. Fact is that DEATH is a parasite. Death and corruption are not part of our original design. Toil, sweat, childbirth pain are all connected with the fall. Enimity between animals and humans.

Were death a "natural" thing, then a literary divice like "working backwards" would be awkward--an intrusion into the fabric of the story. But since death itself is the intruder (and the Witch) the cause of "working backwards" fits very well in contraposto to the intrusion of death. In fact, as a literary divice the backwards-working is the exact symmetical opposite to death. The "born again" description would not be as neat a motif. Literary license prevails in literature.

What we can get from Lewis' story is the realization that what we begin to be lulled to accept as "natural" -- the linear and downwards path to death -- is truly unnatural.


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Laika: Well PoW, if you ever build a workable bridge or software with poetry

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Seems all the poetry went out of computer programing with the demise of 16-bit processors. Now anything will do. (arcane CSci aesthetics wisdom)


Google: "programming aesthetics"





Edited by - PotOnWheel on 07/02/2003 10:38:30 AM

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PoW,

Say, 'nother subject here, but ...
What's your take on the Ecole Initiative site?

Starkman

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Salvation is a present experience in the Holy Spirit--Christ in us.

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(Seems all the poetry went out of computer programing with the demise of 16-bit processors. Now anything will do.)

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Programming elegance -- reducing complex, fragile logic to simple, powerful logic has always existed in programming. Logically meaningless poetry, "death works backwards", has never existed in programming. It may soothe the soul, but you don't build robust software or theology out of it, IMHO.

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Laika: "Logically meaningless poetry, "death works backwards". . .may soothe the soul. . .

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Here's why the illustration Lewis used is called for. Fact is that DEATH is a parasite. Death and corruption are not part of our original design. Toil, sweat, childbirth pain are all connected with the fall. Enimity between animals and humans.

Were death a "natural" thing, then a literary divice like "working backwards" would be awkward--an intrusion into the fabric of the story. But since death itself is the intruder (and the Witch) the cause of "working backwards" fits very well in contraposto to the intrusion of death. In fact, as a literary divice the backwards-working is the exact symmetical opposite to death. The "born again" description would not be as neat a motif. Literary license prevails in literature.

What we can get from Lewis' story is the realization that what we begin to be lulled to accept as "natural" -- the linear and downwards path to death -- is truly unnatural.

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Nice, it shows unravelling death's effects but in a forward motion, which does not contradict:

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3. An apparently irreversible continuum of ordered events.

So why use it?

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Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

From The Poems of Dylan Thomas, published by New Directions. Copyright © 1952, 1953 Dylan Thomas.

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Were death a "natural" thing, then a literary divice like "working backwards" would be awkward--an intrusion into the fabric of the story. But since death itself is the intruder (and the Witch) the cause of "working backwards" fits very well in contraposto to the intrusion of death. In fact, as a literary divice the backwards-working is the exact symmetical opposite to death. The "born again" description [though more literal] would not be as neat a motif. Literary license prevails in literature.

What we can get from Lewis' story is the realization that what we begin to be lulled to accept as "natural" -- the linear and downwards path to death -- is truly unnatural.

So why use it?