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Sisters of Cain
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Date Joined Mar 2004
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Posted 9/20/2004 7:13 AM (GMT -6)

Why would ANYONE have "assurance of salvation" if their arbitrary god was busy electing some to "fall-away"?

Does the arbitrariness of a certain view of election bode well for "assurance of salvation"?

The problems for "assurance" are

1. you'll never know if you're elect
2. you'll never know if you'll keep your election (see 1)

The vain belief that you are one of the elect is a work in itself, using corrupt, human reasoning to put yourself in that category instead of waiting to see if you really were in that category (at the end of the age).

God's purpose for electing some to fall away from their election could be one way of handling this vanity.

"Assurance of salvation"?

Eccl. 1:2 "Vanity of vanities, says the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity."

FenderPriest
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Date Joined May 2004
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Posted 9/20/2004 9:35 AM (GMT -6)

I have wondered the same.
- Early Karl Barth would say that we would only have correct reasoning when looking at the Word of God.
- John Wesley says that it is arrogant to presume that we are elected by God and others are not.

"Reason is itself a matter of faith. It is an act of faith to assert that our thoughts hav any relation to reality at all."
- G.K. Chesterton

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