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Sahid
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   Posted 5/3/2005 5:41 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
When is an appeal to mystery not a cop out?  I'm not talking about ignorance but the positive claim that something is unknowable.  I'm not sure it is ever correct to play the mystery trump card.  God uncovers mysteries and becomes friends with men so that they are not like slaves who don't know their master's buisness.  So how am I wrong?  When is it ok to claim that something cannot be known?  And how is such a claim knowable?


Watch me fly. Freedom like wings and I will use them. Freedom like wings and I will spread them wide. - Stavesacre

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Similitude
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   Posted 5/3/2005 6:33 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Sahid, I don't suppose one could prove it either way, but I think God gave us basic intuitions and categories of being, relation, time, space, causality, and finality to interpret our experience with. And that these intuitions are valid.

So if there is mystery in the sense you're talking about, I don't think we could know that.  Except in the sense that somethings are fundamental and we can't get "behind it."  Like, for example, we can't utterly analyze self existence.  Self-existence has to just be accepted.  But I don't see that it contradicts our fundamental intuitions of thought.


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MattBrown
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   Posted 5/3/2005 3:09 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

There must be a middle ground somewhere.

On one end we have the enlightenment rationalist, who are all too sure about their beliefs, who are arrogantly certain about any and all issues under the sun. On the other end we have those to claim all too much is mysterious and forget that God gave us brains to exerise wisdom so we can understand things.

There are also many who claim mystery for issues when really they just have an incorrect or inaccurate understanding.

I think many times when Paul uses the term he does NOT mean the issue is unknowable, but rather that the issue is very profound, complex, and perhaps unanticipated. The cross and the church are both issues Paul calls mystery which would fit this category. We might not every be able to fully grasp the whole truth, scope and implications of these issues but we sure can know some things about them.


Be careful, lest in fighting the dragon you become the dragon. - Nietzsche

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