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Modes of Thought
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| Posted 11/3/2001 5:58 PM (GMT -6) |   | 'Been thinkin' 'bout this dispensationalism heresy some more. It occurred to me, if it is true that many people (NOT ALL) turn to Calvinism because of the tremendous security it offers to them, perhaps dispensationalism, especially these more radical sorts, result from when being convinced that something like open theism is true but being unsatisfied with the level of security it offers.
Security is gained by having resolutions to every question. Answers to all your problems. The RIGHT response to every situation.
Thoughts, comments, sarcastic reactions? Lemme have it. I think this idea is plausible.
"Christianly understood, truth is obviously not to know the truth but to be the truth. Despite all modern philosophy, there is an infinite difference here..." SK
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writerdad
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| Posted 11/3/2001 6:43 PM (GMT -6) | | I think its very plausible Modes, because people underestimate the psychological aspects as to how people approach God. Much of it does have to do with our background and what we have gone through. A reformed friend once told me he was glad God chose him because he didn't want the responsibility that comes with such a choice. So our background will always play into how we see God and what we do with God when we find him.
Sometimes I think that if God didn't love us so much he'd never get off the floor, the tears rolling off his cheeks, his sides shaking with laughter at our attempts to seduce him. All theology sometimes seems to be man's attempt to tame God. Annie Dillard once wrote (and I am paraphasing now) that people in church act so very bored when they should strap themselves down and be afraid at the awesome power of the God whom they serve. Because perhaps one day that power might be unleashed. Everyone who THINKS they fully know what God is saying should read the verse in Hebrews that says, "it is a terrfying thing to fall into the hands of the living God." And then pause, fall on their knees and thank the same God that he loves us enough to send his son. God is wild. I am grateful, inspite of myself and because of God, that I am on the right side of that wild...sorry I went on so long...what was your question again...Harold
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Modes of Thought
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| Posted 11/4/2001 5:34 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
I think its very plausible Modes, because people underestimate the psychological aspects as to how people approach God. Much of it does have to do with our background and what we have gone through. A reformed friend once told me he was glad God chose him because he didn't want the responsibility that comes with such a choice. So our background will always play into how we see God and what we do with God when we find him.
Sometimes I think that if God didn't love us so much he'd never get off the floor, the tears rolling off his cheeks, his sides shaking with laughter at our attempts to seduce him. All theology sometimes seems to be man's attempt to tame God. Annie Dillard once wrote (and I am paraphasing now) that people in church act so very bored when they should strap themselves down and be afraid at the awesome power of the God whom they serve. Because perhaps one day that power might be unleashed. Everyone who THINKS they fully know what God is saying should read the verse in Hebrews that says, "it is a terrfying thing to fall into the hands of the living God." And then pause, fall on their knees and thank the same God that he loves us enough to send his son. God is wild. I am grateful, inspite of myself and because of God, that I am on the right side of that wild...sorry I went on so long...what was your question again...Harold
Wow! that was awesome writerdad. Very well said and very worth saying. I guess i should start reading Annie Dillard!
Thanks! God IS wild.
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Mephi2K
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| Posted 11/4/2001 7:58 AM (GMT -6) | | Writerdad said:
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Sometimes I think that if God didn't love us so much he'd never get off the floor, the tears rolling off his cheeks, his sides shaking with laughter at our attempts to seduce him. All theology sometimes seems to be man's attempt to tame God. Annie Dillard once wrote (and I am paraphasing now) that people in church act so very bored when they should strap themselves down and be afraid at the awesome power of the God whom they serve. Because perhaps one day that power might be unleashed. Everyone who THINKS they fully know what God is saying should read the verse in Hebrews that says, "it is a terrfying thing to fall into the hands of the living God." And then pause, fall on their knees and thank the same God that he loves us enough to send his son. God is wild.
I must concur with Modes. Good stuff, Writerdad!  HELL, YEAH, God is wild! God is the ultimate enigma and free being regardless of HOW some theologians try to make a toothless tiger out of Him. To think of a being like the THIS giving any type of loving care about us at ALL should give us pause. Word up.
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pia†desideria
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| Posted 11/4/2001 12:12 PM (GMT -6) | | Harold, that was deep—like my new signature?  I like Mephi’s elaboration on it too: “HELL, YEAH, God is wild!”  The thought of the ultimate enigma having loving care for humans brings me to a serious halt. If a human had God’s power and mystery and imagination, I’m sure he wouldn’t give a rip about us peons. But that’s part of what makes God wild—God DOES care about us! pia
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Springs
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| Posted 11/4/2001 4:53 PM (GMT -6) | | I can see how that might be, Modes. Psychologists have documented that the tolerance among people for ambiguity ranges quite a bit.
It was a little different for me. One of the first bible's I had was a leatherbound Scoffield. sweet.
It had lots and lots of study notes and stuff. too fun. I liked it cause it helped me to keep everything organized in my head.
Now I see the error of my ways. Leather is still sweet, but my Scoffield got shelved.
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whasssuuuppp
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| Posted 11/4/2001 5:55 PM (GMT -6) | | I agree with Springs, and I'd just add this--I've been studying psychiatry lately, and it's evident that people with psychiatric conditions definitely differ from the "norm" (what's that, anyways ) in terms of security needs in life. It may seem like a trivial point, but consider that at any given time, 8% of the populations suffers from a psychiatric disorder, and that the lifetime prevalence is between 30 and 50%. Something to think about.
Oh, and I got an e-mail from Wislawa today, with the quote from below. Since everyone else is changing their signatures to this flavor now, I thought I'd join in!
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If we are going to change
the world at all we must first be a little crazy.
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writerdad
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| Posted 11/4/2001 9:00 PM (GMT -6) | | Pia: that is too cool...but I am sure that someone else said before me (alas). However, I just remembered that I got the quote from this book called "A Dangerous Wonder," by Mike Yancolli, who use to be the editor of that totally heretical magazine "The Door," which makes me laugh everytime it arrives at my house. If you guys get a chance, pick up the book...it's subtitle is "the dangers of a childlike faith." Harold
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writerdad
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| Posted 11/4/2001 9:02 PM (GMT -6) | | Oh, a question: would any of us want a God who wasn't wild? As a Christian I've been through a lot, but I think its far better to look back on my life and say, "it was a helluva ride," then to say I was safe and comfortable...
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 11/5/2001 1:34 AM (GMT -6) | | I'm definitely too OLD to follow this.
I'll lay on the table the quote "there was a cross in the heart of God before the beginning of creation" -- or something like that.
Especially getting older I tend now to see the envoloping picture and take comfort in that.(Like the hot bath for my aching bones and the beginning of the day, and the hot bath for my aching bones and the end of the day!)
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(ISA 64:8 "Yet, O Lord, you are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hand.")
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