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05/14/01 3:05 AM
life is Christ and nothing else matters?
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do you guys ever wonder why we let these issues divide us so much? i mean,what about Life is Christ and nothing else matters?
just wondering.
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
boydreamer101
05/14/01 3:07 AM
RE: life is Christ and nothing else matters?
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Amen...the completely subjective nature of christianity is not recognized...an individual relationship means that it is not identical to anyone elses....does this not show us that these matters will never be agreed upon and perhaps....dare i say it....we should let them stand as they are....kind of relative...not denying that there is some sort of objective truth, but perhaps we just can't know it...... at any rate we may agree on that life is christ nothing else matters...i'm beginning to understand why boyder always hollers that.......seeing through a glass darkly
a pair of glasses
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
writerdad
05/14/01 2:08 PM
RE: life is Christ and nothing else matters?
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The truth always divides. Personally, I see nothing but positives in the debate of these different issues. How one views free will, the nature of Christ's death and other subjects affect how one lives their life. I have found that since I've been dialoging with people on this site I have grown much in my walk with God.
You may call it a negative, I do not. The search for truth of the nature of God and his dealings with us humans is of prime importance to each person. Life in Christ and nothing else matters...what does that mean. How you live your life in Christ is going to differ in regards to how I live my life. Perhaps you could be so kind as to point an area where all people agree. Perhaps we should only discuss those issues and never been anything else up. But, it could be aruged, that Jesus was the most disagreeable person who ever lived. In any case, I have found the "disagreements" on this board a source of great encouragement. John 17:3 Harold
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
snuffelupagus
05/14/01 3:18 PM
RE: RE: life is Christ and nothing else matters?
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So true WD - Only positive growth and fresh and deeper thoughts and understandings can come from healthy debate and I believe that as Christians we are called to go against the grain on many occasions and maybe along the way we can pick up a thing-er-two. Although it is also ultimately important to keep in mind the dogmatic nature of brotherhood and compassion in this faith that has been graciously given to us.
John 8:32
Keep smilin'
Snuffy
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
trosie
05/14/01 10:57 PM
RE: RE: life is Christ and nothing else matters?
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Writerdad said: "I have found that since I've been dialoging with people on this site I have grown much in my walk with God."
I say "AMEN"! I am SO APPRECIATIVE of this opportunity to learn and grow through discussing the various topics. I believe that the saying "Life is Christ, nothing else matters" is simply a way of directing us to look to Christ, who is the head, and not off to the sides of the road where we can get hung-up in fleshly and possibly even demonic strategies (like name-calling, condemnation ...) I believe that it is possible to get so caught up in a discussion that one can forget what the ultimate reason for the discussion is -- to grow in our relationship with God in order to glorify Him in our lives.
Blessings
trosie
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
yeshua
05/14/01 11:57 PM
RE: life is Christ and nothing else matters?
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While it is important to look at and study God and how He works in His creation, it is more important that we find our ultimate source of life, value, and worth in Him (OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM)--and not in our theologies about God...--then and only then will we be able to learn from the vast differences among our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ...---Blessings--Rejoice in the LORD
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
RevivalTheology
05/15/01 4:37 PM
I'm wondering...
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...just what is it that is meant by relationship with Christ?
Anyone care to take a poke at that?
In the Lamb
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
yeshua
05/15/01 8:39 PM
RE: Relationship with Christ
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It's very similar to a marraige relationship. I think the key to any relationship including ours with Christ is COMMUNICATION. Think if you woke up in the morning and said hello to your mate(considering you are married) and didn't say anything to them the rest of the day and right before you went to bed--you said goodnight honey--I love you!! What kind of a relationship is that?!?! Many times unfortunately--this is as much communication as we have with our Savior--- I think the more we simply talk to God and the more we hear from Him--the closer we become to Him --just like you would in any relationship--Does that help better understand the relationship aspect of it? Hope so --In Christ---Yeshua
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
writerdad
05/16/01 12:55 AM
RE: I'm wondering...
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Revival: you are so cool, popping in here, throwing out such a question. That is style! Anyway, Phillip Yancey makes a great point in his latest book (required reading for anyone growing up in the evangelical church...I say) that we evangelicals tend to take our "relationship" with God lightly because we view it like we would any relationship. And then we get disappointed when we come to realize that it isn't at all like any of our other relationships. For instance, when he was in Russia, one of his friends asked a Russian Orthodox priest to pray for the men in prison. Did you know it took 20 minutes just to get ready? The point is that we shouldn't just be praying like it ain't no big deal...we should be realizing who we're talking to...and have some awe and reverance. Anyway, just a thought. John 17:3 Harold
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
lamreb
05/16/01 2:21 AM
RE: life is Christ and nothing else matters?
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I could not agree with you more. I have been exposed to a multiple of theologicla questions this past semester and have began to wonder why there are so many issues that the church has allowed to divide its unity. As Christians we should join together and become a strong force against the forces of evil in this fallen world that we all live. God's intent is for Christians to impact the world. But rather we argue among one another about the forkowledge of GOd and who will go to heaven when they die. While I do not disregard the importance of these theological questions, I do not feel GOd intended for us to attempt to anylize HIs every move and work. I beileve that we must first become right in our relationship with Christ and then when we are whole in Chrsit we will be able to unite as one body of beievers.THis is why it is really true that life is Christ and nothingelse (even theology) matters.
05/14/01 3:05 AM
life is Christ and nothing else matters?
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do you guys ever wonder why we let these issues divide us so much? i mean,what about Life is Christ and nothing else matters?
just wondering.
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
boydreamer101
05/14/01 3:07 AM
RE: life is Christ and nothing else matters?
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Amen...the completely subjective nature of christianity is not recognized...an individual relationship means that it is not identical to anyone elses....does this not show us that these matters will never be agreed upon and perhaps....dare i say it....we should let them stand as they are....kind of relative...not denying that there is some sort of objective truth, but perhaps we just can't know it...... at any rate we may agree on that life is christ nothing else matters...i'm beginning to understand why boyder always hollers that.......seeing through a glass darkly
a pair of glasses
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
writerdad
05/14/01 2:08 PM
RE: life is Christ and nothing else matters?
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The truth always divides. Personally, I see nothing but positives in the debate of these different issues. How one views free will, the nature of Christ's death and other subjects affect how one lives their life. I have found that since I've been dialoging with people on this site I have grown much in my walk with God.
You may call it a negative, I do not. The search for truth of the nature of God and his dealings with us humans is of prime importance to each person. Life in Christ and nothing else matters...what does that mean. How you live your life in Christ is going to differ in regards to how I live my life. Perhaps you could be so kind as to point an area where all people agree. Perhaps we should only discuss those issues and never been anything else up. But, it could be aruged, that Jesus was the most disagreeable person who ever lived. In any case, I have found the "disagreements" on this board a source of great encouragement. John 17:3 Harold
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
snuffelupagus
05/14/01 3:18 PM
RE: RE: life is Christ and nothing else matters?
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So true WD - Only positive growth and fresh and deeper thoughts and understandings can come from healthy debate and I believe that as Christians we are called to go against the grain on many occasions and maybe along the way we can pick up a thing-er-two. Although it is also ultimately important to keep in mind the dogmatic nature of brotherhood and compassion in this faith that has been graciously given to us.
John 8:32
Keep smilin'
Snuffy
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
trosie
05/14/01 10:57 PM
RE: RE: life is Christ and nothing else matters?
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Writerdad said: "I have found that since I've been dialoging with people on this site I have grown much in my walk with God."
I say "AMEN"! I am SO APPRECIATIVE of this opportunity to learn and grow through discussing the various topics. I believe that the saying "Life is Christ, nothing else matters" is simply a way of directing us to look to Christ, who is the head, and not off to the sides of the road where we can get hung-up in fleshly and possibly even demonic strategies (like name-calling, condemnation ...) I believe that it is possible to get so caught up in a discussion that one can forget what the ultimate reason for the discussion is -- to grow in our relationship with God in order to glorify Him in our lives.
Blessings
trosie
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
yeshua
05/14/01 11:57 PM
RE: life is Christ and nothing else matters?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
While it is important to look at and study God and how He works in His creation, it is more important that we find our ultimate source of life, value, and worth in Him (OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM)--and not in our theologies about God...--then and only then will we be able to learn from the vast differences among our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ...---Blessings--Rejoice in the LORD
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
RevivalTheology
05/15/01 4:37 PM
I'm wondering...
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
...just what is it that is meant by relationship with Christ?
Anyone care to take a poke at that?
In the Lamb
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
yeshua
05/15/01 8:39 PM
RE: Relationship with Christ
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
It's very similar to a marraige relationship. I think the key to any relationship including ours with Christ is COMMUNICATION. Think if you woke up in the morning and said hello to your mate(considering you are married) and didn't say anything to them the rest of the day and right before you went to bed--you said goodnight honey--I love you!! What kind of a relationship is that?!?! Many times unfortunately--this is as much communication as we have with our Savior--- I think the more we simply talk to God and the more we hear from Him--the closer we become to Him --just like you would in any relationship--Does that help better understand the relationship aspect of it? Hope so --In Christ---Yeshua
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
writerdad
05/16/01 12:55 AM
RE: I'm wondering...
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Revival: you are so cool, popping in here, throwing out such a question. That is style! Anyway, Phillip Yancey makes a great point in his latest book (required reading for anyone growing up in the evangelical church...I say) that we evangelicals tend to take our "relationship" with God lightly because we view it like we would any relationship. And then we get disappointed when we come to realize that it isn't at all like any of our other relationships. For instance, when he was in Russia, one of his friends asked a Russian Orthodox priest to pray for the men in prison. Did you know it took 20 minutes just to get ready? The point is that we shouldn't just be praying like it ain't no big deal...we should be realizing who we're talking to...and have some awe and reverance. Anyway, just a thought. John 17:3 Harold
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
lamreb
05/16/01 2:21 AM
RE: life is Christ and nothing else matters?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I could not agree with you more. I have been exposed to a multiple of theologicla questions this past semester and have began to wonder why there are so many issues that the church has allowed to divide its unity. As Christians we should join together and become a strong force against the forces of evil in this fallen world that we all live. God's intent is for Christians to impact the world. But rather we argue among one another about the forkowledge of GOd and who will go to heaven when they die. While I do not disregard the importance of these theological questions, I do not feel GOd intended for us to attempt to anylize HIs every move and work. I beileve that we must first become right in our relationship with Christ and then when we are whole in Chrsit we will be able to unite as one body of beievers.THis is why it is really true that life is Christ and nothingelse (even theology) matters.
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