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BBBCanada
04/25/01 3:02 PM
Why should we worship God?
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What is the basis for our worship of God? I was at the www.godisnowhere.org (thanks to Joseph Holt, I found the old debate boards) and Mephi and Joseph were debating the reasons for our worship of God from opposite perspectives. Mephi says that the sufficient reason for worshipping God is simply because he is the Creator. To quote:
”If ANY one thing could be said to be the the basis of my statement, it would be God as CREATOR.”
and
“Now what have you done? You've essentially said that any deity with moral attributes that you deem NEGATIVE or IMMORAL is not worthy of worship. Therefore, you are saying that God's existence as creator is NOT SUFFICIENT REASON to worship God. It should be based on his positive moral actions for and inclinations toward humanity. You've completely validated my point! Now, where did you go wrong? You placed YOUR value judgements into the name "God" and argued from there instead of using what I specifically said about what makes God worthy of worship.”
Joseph said that we should worship God, not simply because of his attributes, but that on a larger scale, we do so because he is the Creator as well. Yet it seems that the word “God” by definition includes his positive moral attributes so that when we say we “worship God”, we ipso facto are doing so because of these attributes as well as His being Creator. In other words, can we worship God apart from his attributes? Can we separate the two? What is the basis for worshiping God because he is the Creator? Meph says about Holt’s view:
“The basis of worship has been shifted from the reality of God's existence to his postitive ATTRIBUTES and actions"
Yet it seems to me that Meph doesn’t qualify his assumptions for why we should worship God for his reasons (God is Creator) especially in light of Holt’s, “The Failure of Aristotle’s Prime Mover” argument. What say ye people?
Brandon
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
Crowe150
04/27/01 7:39 AM
RE: Why should we worship God?
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Umm... because he is God? Isn't that a good enough reason?
Crowe
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
BBBCanada
04/28/01 11:10 AM
RE: RE: Why should we worship God?
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I wonder if Crowe150 is really Shine150? And I guess my question in response to this is, "What does that mean?" There are, obviously, connotations that are inherent with our use of the word "God". I kinda asked this of Holt, but, why not worship a rock and call it "God?" You know, something impersonal, impassive, etc? Let's go further? What if this God was/is evil, yet he was still God? Would you still worship him? Tell me you wouldn't!
Brandon
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
TGB
04/28/01 2:59 PM
RE: RE: RE: Why should we worship God?
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What if this God was/is evil, yet he was still God? Would you still worship him? Tell me you wouldn't! Brandon
I wouldn't (you didn't ask me, but I just wanted to answer).
Tom
Posted Originally From: Open Theism Information Site
shorti3130
04/28/01 3:53 PM
RE: RE: RE: RE: Why should we worship God?
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God is love. There is no way that he can be evil. Therefore, the "what if's" don't matter if it could never happen. It seems that there are a million reasons to worship God. The real question should be, "why wouldn't you?"
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
Proverbs23_23
04/30/01 9:51 AM
RE: Why should we worship God?
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I thought we worshipped Him so the rocks would be quiet?...lol
*proverbs
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
boydreamer101
05/06/01 9:04 PM
RE: Why should we worship God?
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hehe...rocks...that was funny!
1. It is natural for a transformed heart to worship...like a cause and an effect?
2. There are many ways to worship...i think that a worshipful heart makes every act of every day one of worship...this may be more difficult to define that i make it sound...but in general everything we do can and should be an act of worship...maybe even our music taste whether secular or not...movies...social life...sleep..i don't know...god is vast so too should our worship for him?!
just some simple thoughts..peace adam
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
Triskal
05/06/01 11:37 PM
RE: Why should we worship God?
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I don't know about others, but I worship God because: he has loved me when no one else would, he has saved me when no one else could, he has guided me in ways which would be impossible for others to do so, and when everyone else gave up on me, he stuck by my side forever and ever. That, my friends, is why I worship God. When you are truly and deeply in love with someone, you desperately want to spend time with them. This is what I strive to have in my relationship with Jesus, a deep longing for him that goes beyond our understated definition of the word LOVE. My prayer is that all of you would seek this as well.
In His Grip,
Matt
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
ccp24
05/07/01 12:17 PM
RE: RE: Why should we worship God?
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I fully agree with you. God is the reason we are here today. The reason we have hope, peace, and purpose in our lives. We should worship Him because of who he is and how wonderful and loving He is to us. We are nothing without him.
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
might-be-don
05/08/01 12:00 PM
RE: RE: Why should we worship God?
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I'll mention this again here because I like it sooo much. After much contemplation about worship and praise, this little saying came to me... We praise God when we like what He does, We worship God when we do what He likes.
I believe our worship is firmly tied to our obedience to His Word. I praise Him everyday for His grace towards me , but I daily fail to worship Him by living short of His desires for me.
don
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
lamreb
05/10/01 2:59 PM
RE: Why should we worship God?
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Why Worship God? Becasue as his loving creations that is the reasson and purpouse for our entire existence. GOd dreated us to love HIm and what better why to express this love than to worship our Abba Father - God. Worship is not only an expression of love but it is also a way to submit control of our life to God. Psalms 95:6 says "O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the Lord our maker." This seems to verify that our worship is our way to show respect, honor, reverence, and most of all LOVE to the GOd of the universe. I find this to be truly amazing and freeing. It also tells in psalms so sing unto the lord as well as dance his praise which are both forms of worship. But most of all I believe that worshipis just another way that we can be closer to our creator.
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
NateGus
05/18/01 12:47 AM
RE: Why should we worship God?
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WEll I guess the reason that I worship is because God TOLD us to. We are to worship Him first, simply becuase He is God and He made it clear that we are here to glorify Him. On top of that God blesses us beyond imagination in so many ways along with coming and dying for us, why wouldn't we worship God is a better question to ask! But like I said , most importantly, we must worship God simply becuase we are to obey God and worship Him!
Thanks,
Nate
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BBBCanada
04/25/01 3:02 PM
Why should we worship God?
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What is the basis for our worship of God? I was at the www.godisnowhere.org (thanks to Joseph Holt, I found the old debate boards) and Mephi and Joseph were debating the reasons for our worship of God from opposite perspectives. Mephi says that the sufficient reason for worshipping God is simply because he is the Creator. To quote:
”If ANY one thing could be said to be the the basis of my statement, it would be God as CREATOR.”
and
“Now what have you done? You've essentially said that any deity with moral attributes that you deem NEGATIVE or IMMORAL is not worthy of worship. Therefore, you are saying that God's existence as creator is NOT SUFFICIENT REASON to worship God. It should be based on his positive moral actions for and inclinations toward humanity. You've completely validated my point! Now, where did you go wrong? You placed YOUR value judgements into the name "God" and argued from there instead of using what I specifically said about what makes God worthy of worship.”
Joseph said that we should worship God, not simply because of his attributes, but that on a larger scale, we do so because he is the Creator as well. Yet it seems that the word “God” by definition includes his positive moral attributes so that when we say we “worship God”, we ipso facto are doing so because of these attributes as well as His being Creator. In other words, can we worship God apart from his attributes? Can we separate the two? What is the basis for worshiping God because he is the Creator? Meph says about Holt’s view:
“The basis of worship has been shifted from the reality of God's existence to his postitive ATTRIBUTES and actions"
Yet it seems to me that Meph doesn’t qualify his assumptions for why we should worship God for his reasons (God is Creator) especially in light of Holt’s, “The Failure of Aristotle’s Prime Mover” argument. What say ye people?
Brandon
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
Crowe150
04/27/01 7:39 AM
RE: Why should we worship God?
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Umm... because he is God? Isn't that a good enough reason?
Crowe
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
BBBCanada
04/28/01 11:10 AM
RE: RE: Why should we worship God?
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I wonder if Crowe150 is really Shine150? And I guess my question in response to this is, "What does that mean?" There are, obviously, connotations that are inherent with our use of the word "God". I kinda asked this of Holt, but, why not worship a rock and call it "God?" You know, something impersonal, impassive, etc? Let's go further? What if this God was/is evil, yet he was still God? Would you still worship him? Tell me you wouldn't!
Brandon
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
TGB
04/28/01 2:59 PM
RE: RE: RE: Why should we worship God?
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What if this God was/is evil, yet he was still God? Would you still worship him? Tell me you wouldn't! Brandon
I wouldn't (you didn't ask me, but I just wanted to answer).
Tom
Posted Originally From: Open Theism Information Site
shorti3130
04/28/01 3:53 PM
RE: RE: RE: RE: Why should we worship God?
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God is love. There is no way that he can be evil. Therefore, the "what if's" don't matter if it could never happen. It seems that there are a million reasons to worship God. The real question should be, "why wouldn't you?"
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
Proverbs23_23
04/30/01 9:51 AM
RE: Why should we worship God?
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I thought we worshipped Him so the rocks would be quiet?...lol
*proverbs
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
boydreamer101
05/06/01 9:04 PM
RE: Why should we worship God?
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hehe...rocks...that was funny!
1. It is natural for a transformed heart to worship...like a cause and an effect?
2. There are many ways to worship...i think that a worshipful heart makes every act of every day one of worship...this may be more difficult to define that i make it sound...but in general everything we do can and should be an act of worship...maybe even our music taste whether secular or not...movies...social life...sleep..i don't know...god is vast so too should our worship for him?!
just some simple thoughts..peace adam
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
Triskal
05/06/01 11:37 PM
RE: Why should we worship God?
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I don't know about others, but I worship God because: he has loved me when no one else would, he has saved me when no one else could, he has guided me in ways which would be impossible for others to do so, and when everyone else gave up on me, he stuck by my side forever and ever. That, my friends, is why I worship God. When you are truly and deeply in love with someone, you desperately want to spend time with them. This is what I strive to have in my relationship with Jesus, a deep longing for him that goes beyond our understated definition of the word LOVE. My prayer is that all of you would seek this as well.
In His Grip,
Matt
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
ccp24
05/07/01 12:17 PM
RE: RE: Why should we worship God?
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I fully agree with you. God is the reason we are here today. The reason we have hope, peace, and purpose in our lives. We should worship Him because of who he is and how wonderful and loving He is to us. We are nothing without him.
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
might-be-don
05/08/01 12:00 PM
RE: RE: Why should we worship God?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I'll mention this again here because I like it sooo much. After much contemplation about worship and praise, this little saying came to me... We praise God when we like what He does, We worship God when we do what He likes.
I believe our worship is firmly tied to our obedience to His Word. I praise Him everyday for His grace towards me , but I daily fail to worship Him by living short of His desires for me.
don
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
lamreb
05/10/01 2:59 PM
RE: Why should we worship God?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Why Worship God? Becasue as his loving creations that is the reasson and purpouse for our entire existence. GOd dreated us to love HIm and what better why to express this love than to worship our Abba Father - God. Worship is not only an expression of love but it is also a way to submit control of our life to God. Psalms 95:6 says "O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the Lord our maker." This seems to verify that our worship is our way to show respect, honor, reverence, and most of all LOVE to the GOd of the universe. I find this to be truly amazing and freeing. It also tells in psalms so sing unto the lord as well as dance his praise which are both forms of worship. But most of all I believe that worshipis just another way that we can be closer to our creator.
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
NateGus
05/18/01 12:47 AM
RE: Why should we worship God?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
WEll I guess the reason that I worship is because God TOLD us to. We are to worship Him first, simply becuase He is God and He made it clear that we are here to glorify Him. On top of that God blesses us beyond imagination in so many ways along with coming and dying for us, why wouldn't we worship God is a better question to ask! But like I said , most importantly, we must worship God simply becuase we are to obey God and worship Him!
Thanks,
Nate
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