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Sisters of Cain
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| Posted 8/5/2004 5:48 AM (GMT -6) |   | The prophecy:
Jeremiah 22:
24 "As I live," declares the LORD, "even though Jehoiachin(Jeconiah) the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah were a signet ring on My right hand, yet I would pull you off;
25 and I will give you over into the hand of those who are seeking your life, yes, into the hand of those whom you dread, even into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon and into the hand of the Chaldeans.
26 "I will hurl you and your mother who bore you into another country where you were not born, and there you will die.
27 "But as for the land to which they desire to return, they will not return to it.
28 "Is this man Jehoiachin(Jeconiah) a despised, shattered jar?
Or is he an undesirable vessel?
Why have he and his descendants been hurled out
And cast into a land that they had not known?
29 "O land, land, land,
Hear the word of the LORD!
30 "Thus says the LORD,
'Write this man down childless,
A man who will not prosper in his days;
For no man of his descendants will prosper
Sitting on the throne of David
Or ruling again in Judah.'"
Prophecy: Jehoiachin will be childless (though he had children) because none of his descendants will sit on the throne of David nor rule again in Judah.
Jehoiachin (Jeconiah) had seven sons:
1 Chronicles 3:
16 The sons of Jehoiakim were Jeconiah his son, Zedekiah his son.
17 The sons of Jeconiah, the prisoner, were Shealtiel his son,
18 and Malchiram, Pedaiah, Shenazzar, Jekamiah, Hoshama and Nedabiah.
19 The sons of Pedaiah were Zerubbabel and Shimei. And the sons of Zerubbabel were Meshullam and Hananiah, and Shelomith was their sister;
I found two theories about Sheshbazzar, either he's Shenazzar or the Persian name for Zerubbabel.
Theory I:http://www.logon.org/english/s/p013.html
Theory II:http://www.christianwebsite.com/bible/strongs/STRHEB83.htm
Sheshbazzar, son of Jehoichin/Jeconiah or grandson of Jehoichin/Jeconiah, is governor of Judah, "the prince of Judah".
Ezra 1:8 and Cyrus, king of Persia, had them brought out by the hand of Mithredath the treasurer, and he counted them out to Sheshbazzar, the prince of Judah.
Ezra 5:14 'Also the gold and silver utensils of the house of God which Nebuchadnezzar had taken from the temple in Jerusalem, and brought them to the temple of Babylon, these King Cyrus took from the temple of Babylon and they were given to one whose name was Sheshbazzar, whom he had appointed governor.
Zerubbabel, grandson of Jehoiachin/Jeconiah, is the governor of Judah.
Haggai 1:1 In the second year of Darius the king, on the first day of the sixth month, the word of the LORD came by the prophet Haggai to Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, governor of Judah, and to Joshua the son of Jehozadak, the high priest, saying,
(Zerubbabel is listed as the son of Pedaiah AND the son of Shealtiel, but it's moot to this discussion because in both instances, he's still grandson of Jehoiachin/Jeconiah)
So,
"Thus says the Lord, 'Write this man [Jehoiachin/Jeconiah] down childless,
A man who will not prosper in his days;
For no man of his descendants will prosper
Sitting on the throne of David
Or ruling again in Judah'", YET
Jehoiachin/Jeconiah had a grandson (Zerubbabel/Sheshbazzar) OR a son (Sheshbazzar) AND grandson(Zerubbabel) rule in Judah as governor.
So scripture says
1. No descendant of Jehoiachin would rule in Judah.
2. That Jehoiachin had (a son and grandson) OR (a grandson) rule in Judah. (Scripture says both "governor of Judah" AND "prince of Judah")
Yet we see the prophecy reversed by the time of his son or grandson.
And, to top it off, Jesus is of the lineage of Jehoiachin/Jeconiah:
Matthew 1:
11 Josiah became the father of Jeconiah and his brothers, at the time of the deportation to Babylon.
12 After the deportation to Babylon: Jeconiah became the father of Shealtiel, and Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel.
13 Zerubbabel was the father of Abihud, Abihud the father of Eliakim, and Eliakim the father of Azor.
14 Azor was the father of Zadok, Zadok the father of Achim, and Achim the father of Eliud.
15 Eliud was the father of Eleazar, Eleazar the father of Matthan, and Matthan the father of Jacob.
16 Jacob was the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, by whom Jesus was born, who is called the Messiah.
17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; from David to the deportation to Babylon, fourteen generations; and from the deportation to Babylon to the Messiah, fourteen generations.
Jesus, the Lion of Judah, descendant of Jehoichin/Jeconiah.
Prophecy that reversed within a generation or two.
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Sisters of Cain
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| Posted 8/7/2004 11:19 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by jefscott
SOC,
30 "Thus says the LORD,
'Write this man down childless,
A man who will not prosper in his days;
For no man of his descendants will prosper
Sitting on the throne of David
Or ruling again in Judah.'"
The verse implies that he will have descendants so Lee's point is well taken. A client-governor cannot be said to rule on David's throne insomuch as such a governor has no sovereignty - they do as they are told. And Christ was NOT Joseph's descendant.
My emphasis was not on his being "childless", it was on the fact that possibly his son Shenazzar AND definitely his grandson Zerubbabel did rule in Judah. "Prince of Judah"
Jesus has two genealogies listed. Scholars attribute the one in Matthew to Joseph and the one in Luke 3 to Mary, giving Jesus both a Legal and a Genetic right to the throne of David.
Mary was the daughter of Heli
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