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Sahid
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| Posted 8/6/2004 9:46 PM (GMT -6) |   | Here's how I would answer it. The problem with saying the cross wasn't certain is that verse about the Lamb being slain before the foundation of the world. So, I think God was pretty darn close to certain that He would die for our sin, maybe not on all the specifics. But, He when He created, He was in it for the long haul. I think He was willing before creation to do whatever it took to have long relationships with us. In this sense the Lamb was already slain. Before creation, He had made the choice to do whatever it took. Forgiveness and reconciliation were availible before the cross, because Jesus's death and resurrection were certain. It was a mystery back then how God could forgive sin, and in many ways it still is, but all along Jesus was the way. I don't think the cross was a certainty, strictly speaking, before the fall, but I do think forgiveness and restoration were availible through Christ before the fall, because were man to fall, it was certain that Jesus would take the heat for us and make life availible again. I think Jesus' work (hinted at by the animal skins God gave them to wear) was the only thing that kept them from dying as soon as God confronted them.
By the way, what's a Fundamental Baptist? I'm a baptist too, but the word "fundamental" is a little scary here in the states.
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Sahid
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Date Joined Jun 2004
Total Posts : 2013
| Posted 8/8/2004 11:12 PM (GMT -6) | | I also hold to the five tenets. At least I did about six months ago; I forget what they are exactly, but I'm pretty sure I'm there with you.
I'm a Southern Baptist, but I'm becoming more and more ashamed of that label, because of how much of the Southern Baptist leadership is behaving. It is my understanding that baptist led the way about four hundred years ago in religious liberty. Southern Baptists have become increasingly "fundamentalist" in that they tell you what to believe without room for many questions. Rules like no dancing, drinking, kissing are becoming prevelant. While I think these rules may be good guidelines, I don't think they should be as strict as they are. But, my biggest concern is with religious liberty. Fundamentalists seem to have taken the opposite stance of the first baptists. Ideas and questions that are new, liberal, or untraditional are frowned upon, and any mention of them in the more fundamentalist Southern Baptist Seminaries will get you fired.
I was such a good Southern Baptist that only in the past three years have I even heard these ideas and questions. Some of them, like open theism, I've found to be true and enriching, but it seems like fundamentalists are unwilling to admit that there may be something more to Christianity than they are teaching.
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